The Portuguese Police thought the dogs were 100% accurate.

[Lyall]

You're probably right Lyall,  the McCanns have had the most expensive and high-flying lawyers on the payroll for a very long time  and it is unlikely a foot has been put wrong legally as a consequence  (  I'm speaking of the letter of the law, rather than the spirit of it  ) 

Still an' all,  it's a bit low for the McCanns to be making unfounded sneaky and snide remarks in order to  besmirch a professional  like Martin Grime

I agree but I just look at the book as the most visible sign of the reputation management campaign, and much of the book is a script for their supporters to use in the continuing struggle. The comments about Mr Grime are the perfect example (and there are numerous other examples of course).

They didn't need to go too far in their comments about Mr Grime: they knew the supporters would eagerly do that for them.

[Mr Gray]

I agree but I just look at the book as the most visible sign of the reputation management campaign, and much of the book is a script for their supporters to use in the continuing struggle. The comments about Mr Grime are the perfect example (and there are numerous other examples of course).

I think you and others are living in an alternative world...a world in which eventually George Bush will be put on trial for the destruction of the twin towers...theres plenty of evidence

[icabodcrane]

I agree but I just look at the book as the most visible sign of the reputation management campaign, and much of the book is a script for their supporters to use in the continuing struggle. The comments about Mr Grime are the perfect example (and there are numerous other examples of course).

You might be right,  but if you  are  then these  'reputation managers'  are getting money for old rope  ...   more than a few clangers were dropped in that book 

[VIXTE]

I don't think grime would want to discuss the dogs skills...and limitations ..in a court room

It would be stupid even to think even if he can influence his dogs that he would find Kates words offensive.

Dogs are not the evidence. They are used to find the evidence. It is not Grimes job to describe or explain what his dogs find. In case they don't find the person or a dead body.. then all they find he sends to the labs.

It is then up to the labs to 'de-code' the dogs evidence..

In Madeleine's case, the de-coding proved only one thing: there is no a definite proof she died. Which means she can as well be alive. And this is exactly what SY said..

IMO the whole purpose of the dogs has been misunderstood.

[Lyall]

I think you and others are living in an alternative world...a world in which eventually George Bush will be put on trial for the destruction of the twin towers...theres plenty of evidence

We are living in a different world to yours. No doubt about that at all

[Lyall]

You might be right,  but if you  are  then these  'reputation managers'  are getting money for old rope  ...   more than a few clangers were dropped in that book

Yep but they appealed to the target audience, the likes of the peeps you can read reviews from on amazon (scary stuff!)

[AnneGuedes]

I stated Mr Grime knows no more than any of us as to whether a cadaver lay in that apartment.  As an expert witness he will testify as to the dog alerts, nothing more.

No, Mr Grime (and Prof Harrison who was present) knows more than anyone about the origin of the VOCs that his dog immediately picked up (did that conclusion need confirmation that no pig nor sex tissues (constant suggestion of Carana) were decaying in the rear bedroom ?)
My observation of the dog's behaviour in this instance was that the dog's behaviour changed immediately upon opening the front door to the apartment. He will normally remain in the sit position until released and tasked to search.
On this occasion he broke the stay and entered the apartment with an above average interest. His behaviour was such that I believed him to be 'in scent' and I therefore allowed him to free search without direction to allow him to identify the source of his interest. He did so alerting in the rear bedroom.

[AnneGuedes]

Still an' all,  it's a bit low for the McCanns to be making unfounded sneaky and snide remarks in order to  besmirch a professional  like Martin Grime

Low ? I think it's vital, Icabodcrane.

[John]

Kate also makes the following comment...

...despite what we had been led to believe by the PJ and the newspaper headlines – there wasn’t any such evidence. They had no proof that Madeleine was dead. All they actually had was the signal of a dog trying to please its instructor in an apartment from which Madeleine had been taken three months earlier.  As we now know, the chemicals believed to create the ‘odour of death’, putrescence and cadaverine, last no longer than thirty days. There were no decaying body parts for the dog to find. It was simply wrong.

[icabodcrane]

Kate also makes the following comment...

Thankyou John

I think I must go back and read Kate's book again  ...   she seems determined to malign Mr Grime's professional reputation,  does'nt  she  ? 

I always thought that the natural response  of a parent faced with that kind of evidence  (  that their child might have died while they were absent  )   would be one of desperation  and heartbroken bafflement, rather than accusatory denial

[AnneGuedes]

As we now know, the chemicals believed to create the ‘odour of death’, putrescence and cadaverine, last no longer than thirty days.
They haven't much studied that issue.. Or were they, here also, badly advised ?

[icabodcrane]

As we now know, the chemicals believed to create the ‘odour of death’, putrescence and cadaverine, last no longer than thirty days.
They haven't much studied that issue.. Or were they, here also, badly advised ?

I think there must come a point, Anne,  when heaping responsibility on  'advisors'   becomes non sequitur 

[AnneGuedes]

I think there must come a point, Anne,  when heaping responsibility on  'advisors'   becomes non sequitur

The bar has to be set very high when multifaceted victims (of an abductor, of the media, of an incompetent police force, of a book full of lies) are concerned.

[a.baker]

Still trying to work out the significance of KM mentioning the 'stain' on Madeleine's pyjama top. She noticed the stain on the morning of the day Madeleine disappeared and washed the top. Why the need to wash the 'stain' out immediately. Didn't Madeleine have other pairs of pyjamas? And then she was dressed again in those same pyjamas that night (allegedly). Could the 'stain' have been excess or regurgitated medicine of some kind? If Madeleine's body were to be found the 'alleged' abductor could then be blamed if any residue was discovered on her top. This would tie in with the McCanns suggesting that the 'abductor' could have possibly drugged the twins too. Its strangely curious that Amaral believed in a 'the children were possibly drugged' scenario (by the parents) and the McCanns too were suggesting the same (but by alleged abductor) I believe there is some truth in this somewhere.

[AnneGuedes]

Still trying to work out the significance of KM mentioning the 'stain' on Madeleine's pyjama top. She noticed the stain on the morning of the day Madeleine disappeared and washed the top. Why the need to wash the 'stain' out immediately. Didn't Madeleine have other pairs of pyjamas? And then she was dressed again in those same pyjamas that night (allegedly). Could the 'stain' have been excess or regurgitated medicine of some kind? If Madeleine's body were to be found the 'alleged' abductor could then be blamed if any residue was discovered on her top. This would tie in with the McCanns suggesting that the 'abductor' could have possibly drugged the twins too. Its strangely curious that Amaral believed in a 'the children were possibly drugged' scenario (by the parents) and the McCanns too were suggesting the same (but by alleged abductor) I believe there is some truth in this somewhere.

The curiosity concerning the stain is that it was washed instead of watching Madeleine who was sailing for the first time of her life.
Unfortunately the doctors McCann never explained the abductor's modus operandi (nor checked the two kids the abductor left them).