The Portuguese Police thought the dogs were 100% accurate.

[Lyall]

haven't seen them..are you talking about hi de ho

Some pretty ones there too.

Too much emotion. Way too much.

[Silkywhiskers]

Too much crappy soundtrack you mean...

Some of those videos contain some very important observations.  Listen to them with the sound down.

[Mr Gray]

Too much crappy soundtrack you mean...

Some of those videos contain some very important observations.  Listen to them with the sound down.

OK I'll give them another go

[Silkywhiskers]

OK I'll give them another go

Watch any with "microexpression" in the title.

They are truly shocking....and revelatory.

[Lyall]

Watch any with "microexpression" in the title.

They are truly shocking....and revelatory.

But what's the point of a thousand videos if the important ones are lost? >@@(*&)

[Redblossom]

But what's the point of a thousand videos if the important ones are lost? >@@(*&)

which ones are you missing lyall?

[Benice]

Because there are no similarities, other than a lack of evidence. Every other factor is different: environment, location, date, developments in the case etc.

Nonsense.

Both children disappeared in a foreign country.
Both children were unsupervised when they disappeared.
Both families have claimed their children were abducted.
In both cases we only have the families' word for what happened.
Both families are still looking for their missing children.
And IMO both children may well have been targeted.

The real reason why some people don't want Ben's case mentioned IMO is because they want to demonise one family while sympathising with the other.   And because of the similarities that can't be done without appearing more than a tad hypocritical IMO.

IMO The one really big difference is that fortunately for the Needhams the internet was not used much 22 years ago.   If it had then Ben's family would have received exactly the same vile treatment as the McCanns have IMO.   The conspiracy theorists would have had a field day.

[Lyall]

which ones are you missing lyall?

No I was just making a general point, Red. The most important are lost in a sea of edited ones and an obsession with body language.

That's how it looks to me (but I don't check youtube out too often).

(I don't think I'm missing any )

[Mr Gray]

Nonsense.

Both children disappeared in a foreign country.
Both children were unsupervised when they disappeared.
Both families have claimed their children were abducted.
In both cases we only have the families' word for what happened.
Both families are still looking for their missing children.
And IMO both children may well have been targeted.

The real reason why some people don't want Ben's case mentioned IMO is because they want to demonise one family while sympathising with the other.   And because of the similarities that can't be done without appearing more than a tad hypocritical IMO.

IMO The one really big difference is that fortunately for the Needhams the internet was not used much 22 years ago.   If it had then Ben's family would have received exactly the same vile treatment as the McCanns have IMO.   The conspiracy theorists would have had a field day.

Absolutely correct...

[Redblossom]

No I was just making a general point, Red. The most important are lost in a sea of edited ones and an obsession with body language.

That's how it looks to me (but I don't check youtube out too often).

(I don't think I'm missing any )

Oh I see, ok, no worries

Psst

Body language is important though imo, especially blatant examples of  bizarre behaviour

Eta in fact police in in the uk and elsewhere look out for it, though thy may not call it body language per se

OK, I think I shall sign off and go watch whatever greasy b........ might  be on question time tonight, always good for a laugh

>>>>>

[pegasus]

Nothing can derail the intelligence provided by Eddie. Does anyone think the lounge signal and the bedroom signal are intelligence that possibly a person moved something from behind the sofa to under a pile in a cupboard?

[Lyall]

Oh I see, ok, no worries

Psst

Body language is important though imo, especially blatant examples of  bizarre behaviour

Eta in fact police in in the uk and elsewhere look out for it, though thy may not call it body language per se

OK, I think I shall sign off and go watch whatever greasy b........ might  be on question time tonight, always good for a laugh

>>>>>

There's definitely a mass of bizarre behaviour, Red. No disagreement there

I see your points.

[colombosstogey]

I don't know when those buildings were built, Colombosstogey, the type of door, lock, window, shutters... tells it was in the eighties.
Eddie's alerts indicated death scent, Mr Grime doesn't seem to have doubted that (double blind tests serve precisely to check that the dog doesn't alert falsely, which would obviously and imperatively eliminate him).
Forensic organic elements, when no body is visible, serve only to identify whose body originated the VOCs, not their presence.
Consider the double alert behind the sofa (Eddie and then Keela). If analysis identifies the blood as belonging to (alive) A, can you determine that Eddie alerted to A's decaying blood and not to (missing) B's death scent ?
No, it is possible but not certain.
Now, in the same flat, Eddie alerts on another spot and, this time, there's no blood and there's no item at all that can be removed and analysed apart. Can it be deduced that, behind the sofa, the dog then alerted to death and not to decaying blood ?
No, it's possible but not certain.
This is why Mr Grime refused to speculate, saying the minimum he could say without exposing himself and his dog, carefully staying behind the shield of the required forensic corroboration.
But his concise observations are nonetheless very interesting.

BTW there are techniques now to capture the air in a test tube at the point of the scent cone indicated by the dog and analyse the components (the relative proportions of VOCs).

Thanks Anne, and yes i saw that on the T.V. recently about the scent cone.

I think what is also interesting for me is not only did they scent in the apartment, but the car belonging to the McCanns, and items of clothing which were taken to a clean area and the dog picked up on them.

So THREE LOCATIONS all belonging to the family. What are the odds that there WASN'T A BODY....

[Silkywhiskers]

Don't forget the Cadaver on Cuddle Cat.

That is incredibly significant because it shows Madeleine was in contact with it after death, after death, in the apartment.

What burglars steal a corpse?  Gypsies, pedophiles etc all want them alive as far as I know.

[Mr Gray]

Don't forget the Cadaver on Cuddle Cat.

That is incredibly significant because it shows Madeleine was in contact with it after death, after death, in the apartment.

What burglars steal a corpse?  Gypsies, pedophiles etc all want them alive as far as I know.

no it doesn't