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debunker

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Re: What do you think happened to Madeleine?
« Reply #75 on: May 13, 2013, 06:33:23 PM »
see how stupid it is when people start placing large bets just on an opinion.

I didn't place any bet stupid nor did I ever suggest any of the friends were involved. The fact I can prove I wasn't in Portugal makes your opinion wrong but you cannot prove my opinion is wrong can you?

Why are the McCann Fan Club so hostile? People are entitled to express their opinions and many people do find the McCann's  untrustworthy especially with how they have handled the money good people have given to help the search for Madeliene. I don't think anyone who gave money expected that to be used to pay Kate and Gerry's mortgage!

The McCannettes remind me of the Bamberettes!

I note that you as a mod have used the epithet 'stupid' which I shall be pleased to use in future.

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Re: What do you think happened to Madeleine?
« Reply #76 on: May 13, 2013, 06:34:09 PM »
Yes, thank you, I'm fairly familiar with the theory of the two dogs in tandem. But as BOTH dogs had been trained to alert to dried blood from live people, Eddie  (the now sadly dead dog) SHOULD have alerted all over the place, IF he had been deployed through the resort, but there is no evidence at all of that having happened from what I can see in the files. My  hypothetical question to Mr. Grime & the PJ would therefore have been, why wasn't that done?

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Re: What do you think happened to Madeleine?
« Reply #77 on: May 13, 2013, 06:35:28 PM »
see how stupid it is when people start placing large bets just on an opinion.

I didn't place any bet stupid nor did I ever suggest any of the friends were involved. The fact I can prove I wasn't in Portugal makes your opinion wrong but you cannot prove my opinion is wrong can you?

Why are the McCann Fan Club so hostile? People are entitled to express their opinions and many people do find the McCann's  untrustworthy especially with how they have handled the money good people have given to help the search for Madeliene. I don't think anyone who gave money expected that to be used to pay Kate and Gerry's mortgage!

The McCannettes remind me of the Bamberettes!

The difference is that Bamber was a convicted crim nal with no defensible reputation. The McCanns still have a reputation to defend.

amaraltheofficeboy

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Re: What do you think happened to Madeleine?
« Reply #78 on: May 13, 2013, 06:37:25 PM »
see how stupid it is when people start placing large bets just on an opinion.

I didn't place any bet stupid nor did I ever suggest any of the friends were involved. The fact I can prove I wasn't in Portugal makes your opinion wrong but you cannot prove my opinion is wrong can you?

Why are the McCann Fan Club so hostile? People are entitled to express their opinions and many people do find the McCann's  untrustworthy especially with how they have handled the money good people have given to help the search for Madeliene. I don't think anyone who gave money expected that to be used to pay Kate and Gerry's mortgage!

The McCannettes remind me of the Bamberettes!

The difference is that Bamber was a convicted crim nal with no defensible reputation. The McCanns still have a reputation to defend.

there is a missing child that someone refers to betting on the outcome FGS

icabodcrane

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Re: What do you think happened to Madeleine?
« Reply #79 on: May 13, 2013, 06:42:08 PM »
Yes, thank you, I'm fairly familiar with the theory of the two dogs in tandem. But as BOTH dogs had been trained to alert to dried blood from live people, Eddie  (the now sadly dead dog) SHOULD have alerted all over the place, IF he had been deployed through the resort, but there is no evidence at all of that having happened from what I can see in the files. My  hypothetical question to Mr. Grime & the PJ would therefore have been, why wasn't that done?

I don't think that is correct Mrs B

Eddie was not  'trained'  to alert to blood,  he was trained to alert to death scent

There was a possibility  that he would alert to blood alone, and that is why Keela was deployed as a backup


debunker

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Re: What do you think happened to Madeleine?
« Reply #80 on: May 13, 2013, 06:45:30 PM »
Yes, thank you, I'm fairly familiar with the theory of the two dogs in tandem. But as BOTH dogs had been trained to alert to dried blood from live people, Eddie  (the now sadly dead dog) SHOULD have alerted all over the place, IF he had been deployed through the resort, but there is no evidence at all of that having happened from what I can see in the files. My  hypothetical question to Mr. Grime & the PJ would therefore have been, why wasn't that done?

I don't think that is correct Mrs B

Eddie was not  'trained'  to alert to blood,  he was trained to alert to death scent

There was a possibility  that he would alert to blood alone, and that is why Keela was deployed as a backup

NO! Grime is quite clear that Eddie was trained to alert to blood.

amaraltheofficeboy

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Re: What do you think happened to Madeleine?
« Reply #81 on: May 13, 2013, 06:48:27 PM »
Yes, thank you, I'm fairly familiar with the theory of the two dogs in tandem. But as BOTH dogs had been trained to alert to dried blood from live people, Eddie  (the now sadly dead dog) SHOULD have alerted all over the place, IF he had been deployed through the resort, but there is no evidence at all of that having happened from what I can see in the files. My  hypothetical question to Mr. Grime & the PJ would therefore have been, why wasn't that done?

I don't think that is correct Mrs B

Eddie was not  'trained'  to alert to blood,  he was trained to alert to death scent

There was a possibility  that he would alert to blood alone, and that is why Keela was deployed as a backup

you didn't know that what you typed was wrong.

Incredible - but understandable from you.

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Re: What do you think happened to Madeleine?
« Reply #82 on: May 13, 2013, 06:50:16 PM »

 

Don't forget there were eight other dogs involved in the search, months before Grime turned up. Can't remember now, how many dog hairs were found in 5A, along with the cigarette ash, from GNR chaps.

Where did you read that?

Read what?
Kate's 500 Mile Cycle Challenge

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Offline Mrs. B

Re: What do you think happened to Madeleine?
« Reply #83 on: May 13, 2013, 06:53:32 PM »
No, I'm pretty sure he was trained to do that. Dogs in general don't alert to minuscule traces of dried blood.

Martin Grime "The dog EVRD also alerts to blood from a live human being or only from a cadaver"

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/MARTIN_GRIMES_RIGATORY.htm

Surely it would do no good for the reputation of a dog handler to use a cadaver dog that alerts to dried blood from live people by pure chance or whenever he feels like it?


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Re: What do you think happened to Madeleine?
« Reply #84 on: May 13, 2013, 06:53:59 PM »
see how stupid it is when people start placing large bets just on an opinion.

I didn't place any bet stupid nor did I ever suggest any of the friends were involved. The fact I can prove I wasn't in Portugal makes your opinion wrong but you cannot prove my opinion is wrong can you?

Why are the McCann Fan Club so hostile? People are entitled to express their opinions and many people do find the McCann's  untrustworthy especially with how they have handled the money good people have given to help the search for Madeliene. I don't think anyone who gave money expected that to be used to pay Kate and Gerry's mortgage!
The McCannettes remind me of the Bamberettes!

Actually I think you will find that most people, including myself and my friends didn't mind what the McCanns did with the money we donated.  It was sent to show them we cared and to help them in any way they saw fit.

They were in a foreign country and quite obviously wanted to stay there until their daughter was found.  To do that meant they could not return to their jobs - and so would lose their income.  If any of my money was used towards paying a couple of mortgage payments - then that pleases me.

When you think of how much of the McCanns OWN money which they could have put into their OWN bank accounts i.e. the £500,000 compensation for libel, and the proceeds from Kate's book -  but which they chose instead to put into the fund, then a couple of months mortgage payments is a drop in the ocean in comparison.  And anyway, didn't they replace it?






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AnneGuedes

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Re: What do you think happened to Madeleine?
« Reply #85 on: May 13, 2013, 07:04:48 PM »
Yes, Icabodcrane, and only Eddie was deployed in Robert M's property. As he didn't alert, there was no use to send Keela.
« Last Edit: May 13, 2013, 07:12:38 PM by AnneGuedes »

AnneGuedes

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Re: What do you think happened to Madeleine?
« Reply #86 on: May 13, 2013, 07:14:49 PM »
Someone who has an experience of cadaver scent knows that dried blood doesn't smell the same.

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Re: What do you think happened to Madeleine?
« Reply #87 on: May 13, 2013, 07:17:11 PM »

 

Don't forget there were eight other dogs involved in the search, months before Grime turned up. Can't remember now, how many dog hairs were found in 5A, along with the cigarette ash, from GNR chaps.

Where did you read that?

Read what?

I'm pretty sure the cigarette ash is mentioned here http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/madeleinemccann/9226205/Madeleine-McCann-unanswered-questions.html

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Re: What do you think happened to Madeleine?
« Reply #88 on: May 13, 2013, 07:18:23 PM »
Someone who has an experience of cadaver scent knows that dried blood doesn't smell the same.

Do you have a source for that assertion or is it just an opinion?

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Re: What do you think happened to Madeleine?
« Reply #89 on: May 13, 2013, 07:18:44 PM »
Someone who has an experience of cadaver scent knows that dried blood doesn't smell the same.

No disrespect intended - but you asked for it:

Are you a dog then?