Defamation and defamatory ...

[AnneGuedes]

I find it disturbing that AnneGuedes rejects the premise of heroin injection by the McCanns on the grounds that it would cause their child to scream, not because it is a thoroughly abhorrent and obscene concept for any normal, loving parent to inject heroin into their child's veins,  (not to mention also completely and utterly lacking in any supporting evidence whatsoever!)

I find disturbing being interpreted this crazy way : the McCanns injecting their kids with heroin !

[debunker]

I have frequently adminisitered heroin and other drugs. It can be done painlessly, especially if the person is already half asleep or asleep.

heroin to toddlers ? Why ? How long did it take to knock them out ?

Not heroin to toddlers, but heroin to adults, and other drugs to toddlers. Done well, injections barely pain at all.

[faithlilly]

This is bullshit as I have alread shown by reproducing the actual question and answers that appeared on OFM.  One of these messages from the OFM DID mention asking Kate.  The question itself was NOT about whether the McCann had ASKED Amaral to settle but whether the McCanns HAD settled on Amaral's terms. 

Why are you desperate to twist this complete non-event into something significant?  It's really quite pathetic.

The questions you posted came from the emails that were sent from the webmaster and reproduced on Blacksmith's blog and not from the OFM page.

[faithlilly]

Rubbish.  I saw this exchange or one virtually identical to it on the OFM page, before it was deleted by the webmaster when the trolling of the inquisitor became apparent.

Stop playing silly b....rs.

The post on the OFM page did not mention Kate,  the emails did.  If the McCanns did not ask Amaral to settle why are they so desperate to avoid putting their name to the fact ?

[faithlilly]

Here it is again - the alleged exchange of e-mails between  a McCann sceptic masquerading as a concerned member of the public and the OFM webmaster -

Sceptic: Hi
 I'm also concerned like Mr xxx if the rumours about Kate and Gerry settling their libel claim on Amaral's terms are true there will be no money left for the search if it is needed. Could you please put my mind at rest. Thanks.
 Regards

 

 

OFM Webmaster: Dear xxx
 I'm checking with Kate on this and will get back with you once I've had a chance to talk with her about this.
 Thanks.
 FM Webmaster
 Find Madeleine Campaign

 

OFM Webmaster: Dear xxx
 The rumours are just that--rumours. Unfounded and not based on fact.
 Thanks for the feedback.
 FM Webmaster
 Find Madeleine Campaign
 

Now, where in that is there any confirmation from Kate McCann that the McCanns asked Amaral for a settlement, or indeed any deception of any kind from either the webmaster or Kate McCann? >@@(*&)

As I said many pages ago we will have to wait to the libel trial to see whether Kate or the webmaster were telling the truth. The correspondence already made public does not contain the webmaster's threats of litigation to both the recipient of the emails and Blacksmith which, I'm sure you'll agree, is a bit of an overreaction if what Kate, and the webmaster, say is true ?

[Eleanor]

So, we'll have to wait and see if Kate was lying when nowhere is she on record of having said anything.  I see.

[ferryman]

The correspondence already made public does not contain the webmaster's threats of litigation to both the recipient of the emails and Blacksmith which, I'm sure you'll agree, is a bit of an overreaction ...

Not publicising the threats of litigation was a bit of an over-reaction?

That might be one way of describing the, apparent, decision not to do so ...

[faithlilly]

Here it is again - the alleged exchange of e-mails between  a McCann sceptic masquerading as a concerned member of the public and the OFM webmaster -

Sceptic: Hi
 I'm also concerned like Mr xxx if the rumours about Kate and Gerry settling their libel claim on Amaral's terms are true there will be no money left for the search if it is needed. Could you please put my mind at rest. Thanks.
 Regards

 

 

OFM Webmaster: Dear xxx
 I'm checking with Kate on this and will get back with you once I've had a chance to talk with her about this.
 Thanks.
 FM Webmaster
 Find Madeleine Campaign

 

OFM Webmaster: Dear xxx
 The rumours are just that--rumours. Unfounded and not based on fact.
 Thanks for the feedback.
 FM Webmaster
 Find Madeleine Campaign
 

Now, where in that is there any confirmation from Kate McCann that the McCanns asked Amaral for a settlement, or indeed any deception of any kind from either the webmaster or Kate McCann? >@@(*&)

As I said many pages ago we will have to wait to the libel trial to see whether Kate or the webmaster were telling the truth. The correspondence already made public does not contain the webmaster's threats of litigation to both the recipient of the emails and Blacksmith which, I'm sure you'll agree, is a bit of an overreaction if what Kate, and the webmaster, say is true ?

Once again, I ask you - where is there ANYTHING AT ALL THAT COULD BE CONSTRUED AS DISHONESTY FROM KATE MCCANN IN THOSE E-MAILS???!

  The question asked was - "is it true that the McCanns have settled with Amaral", to which the response from the OFM Webmaster was (after checking with Kate) that the rumours were unfounded.  The McCanns HAVE NOT SETTLED WITH AMARAL AS WE KNOW THE LIBEL TRIAL IS GOING AHEAD ergo the rumours WERE UNFOUNDED!!!!

Are you able to understand plain English Faithlilly?  Can you now explain how these e-mails constitute evidence that may be useful to Amaral at his trial? 

And - if I knew that sly and devious idiots were trying to twist my private e-mails into some evidence of dishonesty on my part and had re-produced them without my permission on a blog that was devoted to  libelling me then I'd be bloody pissed off too and might well threaten to sue!

The initial email said 'settling' and not 'settled'. There is a vast difference.

As to the emails being useful to Amaral, could you please point out where I have claimed this ? I said the emails, in due course, would be evidence, or not, of Kate's ability to mislead her supporters when it is expedient.

[ferryman]

Jean-Pierre made all this perfectly clear on another board.

Either side might have suggested an out-of-court settlement.

But (even if that was the McCanns) that clearly does not mean that the McCanns are seeking to settle on Amaral's terms, because the McCanns have the option, simply of pulling their action if they see no realistic prospect of winning.

Attractions to the McCanns of an out-of-court settlement is that the prospect of matters dragging on interminably in appeal after appeal is removed; also swift settlement with no delays over transfer of cash pending appeal.

All seems perfectly clear to me ...

[Eleanor]

Jean Pierre has also made clear that an offer from The Defendant must be considered.

The Plaintiff never has to make any offer.

[ferryman]

Jean Pierre has also made clear that an offer from The Defendant must be considered.

The Plaintiff never has to make any offer.

I confess, I'd missed that point (of JP's) but clearly also highly relevant ...

[amaraltheofficeboy]

amaral: "I now call webmaster for my next witness that I didn't libel the Mccanns"

a gasp from the packed court.

[faithlilly]

Proof as requested that you wrote that the e-mails would be useful to Amaral Faithlilly -

Faithlilly wrote:

No matter whether you believe me or not, suffice to say that when the time is right those emails will play a part in exposing Kate's duplicity.

Eleanor wrote:

When do you think that "when the time is right" will happen? When they are charged? Ain't going to happen.  They are innocent.

Faithlilly wrote:

Perhaps at the libel trial when iI is revealed the McCanns did indeed ask to settle 

Also, do you concede that there is a world of difference between "settling on Amaral's terms" and "asking to settle on Amaral's terms"?

You're floundering now aren't you Faithlilly, hmmm....?

As usual Martha, you put two and two together and make five. What I said is that Kate's duplicity may be revealed at the libel trial when it should become clear who did ask to settle. This will not help Amaral, and I never claimed it would. It will however reveal how easily Kate obscures the truth when she needs to.

As to whether they 'were settling', which Kate said was a rumour or 'asked to settle', it is still capitulation no matter what way you look at it.

[amaraltheofficeboy]

amaral: "I now call webmaster for my next witness that I didn't libel the Mccanns"

a gasp from the packed court.

[Mrs. B]

I'm quite sure that the existence of an email of dubious origin where Kate have NOT been quoted to have confirmed or not confirmed anything at all would do very little to discredit HER honesty & trustworthiness, compared to that of Amaral who happens to have a criminal conviction & an 18 months suspended prison sentence (now served) for giving a false witness statement in a court of law.