The 'Hate' Question.

[Mo Stache]

Indeed.  None of the witness statements should have been released.

That would be an interesting topic for discussion, if it hasn't already been raised on this forum.
Should the Madeleine McCann case file have been released to the public/allowed to be published on the internet?

[debunker]

No.

Knowing now what I know about Portuguese evidence gathering, I would be very economical with information that I would not want in the public view. Not at all in the interests of justice.

[Mo Stache]

No.

Knowing now what I know about Portuguese evidence gathering, I would be very economical with information that I would not want in the public view. Not at all in the interests of justice.

I am interested to hear more about your view on 'not in the interest of justice'. Could you please elaborate?

[Carana]

Perhaps this may be of interest.

http://inter-disciplinary.net/ati/Evil/Evil%209/goc%20paper.pdf

“Bad Mummy”—Kate McCann, Medea and the Media by Dr Nicola Goc University of Tasmania

Very interesting. Thanks, Mrs B.

[debunker]

No.

Knowing now what I know about Portuguese evidence gathering, I would be very economical with information that I would not want in the public view. Not at all in the interests of justice.

I am interested to hear more about your view on 'not in the interest of justice'. Could you please elaborate?

Any rule that makes it more difficult to get true information in a criminal investigation is 'not in the interests of justice.'

Consider: You witness a crime as you leave your lover's house; you are married. If you give a statement to the Portuguese police, you know that your spouse will read that statement in the fullness of time.

I suspect that most people's memory would become somewhat hazy in such a circumstance!

[Carana]

I see no ambiguity - she clearly states 'it has been reported'.  She IS talking about press reports.

Personally I never saw being reported 1) death scent on the bible and 2) David killing his child. What I saw is the bible had been found with a bookmark on the episode where God punishes David with the death of his child (the child of the woman he loved and whose husband he got rid of).

I didn't say a death scent had been found on the bible.  I said the Pj were unaware that it was NOT Kate's bible or that she did not acquire it until sometime after Madeleine's disappearance - and so their decision to use it to bolster suspicion against Kate was flawed.





   

Benice, I know you didn't say the scent was found on the bible. Some journalist might have invented this, I don't know, what I read was only about the police wondering about the bible being marked on David's sorrow. Remember this was the time Eddie had found the scent of death in the flat, which induced a crucial turn in the inquiry. The point was to discover whether the McCann knew Madeleine was dead or not. Rather legitimately.

Why didn't the PJ simply ask her? The LP could have easily double-checked it with the friend who lent it, if the PJ had asked them to.

Instead, it flew out of a PJ window into the waiting arms of some hack.

[Carana]

The more I think of it, the more strikes me that David's child is the one who appeared just to disappear.

I think that whoever reads a passage in the bible is allowed to put their own emotional interpretation of that it means to THEM & what comfort it gives THEM. It's a private matter & meaningless to anyone else.

Quite.

[Mo Stache]

No.

Knowing now what I know about Portuguese evidence gathering, I would be very economical with information that I would not want in the public view. Not at all in the interests of justice.

I am interested to hear more about your view on 'not in the interest of justice'. Could you please elaborate?

Any rule that makes it more difficult to get true information in a criminal investigation is 'not in the interests of justice.'

Consider: You witness a crime as you leave your lover's house; you are married. If you give a statement to the Portuguese police, you know that your spouse will read that statement in the fullness of time.

I suspect that most people's memory would become somewhat hazy in such a circumstance!

I understand what you have said, but is it a 'rule' to publish material to the public domain in Portugal? I can't recall having seen any other missing child case where the files have been released to the public domain and allowed on the internet.

[debunker]

No.

Knowing now what I know about Portuguese evidence gathering, I would be very economical with information that I would not want in the public view. Not at all in the interests of justice.

I am interested to hear more about your view on 'not in the interest of justice'. Could you please elaborate?

Any rule that makes it more difficult to get true information in a criminal investigation is 'not in the interests of justice.'

Consider: You witness a crime as you leave your lover's house; you are married. If you give a statement to the Portuguese police, you know that your spouse will read that statement in the fullness of time.

I suspect that most people's memory would become somewhat hazy in such a circumstance!

I understand what you have said, but is it a 'rule' to publish material to the public domain in Portugal? I can't recall having seen any other missing child case where the files have been released to the public domain and allowed on the internet.

I assume that they didn't just decide to release this case file alone. Why would they do that?

[Carana]

Sad and irrational response

But I'm afraid woefully predictable Redblossom 

Yes, sadly as especially the blanket black balling of sceptics is ginormous compared with the almost non existant blackballing of *believers* for wont of a better word

Personally I have challenged some rubbish on a certain forum or two, yea, forums from both camps, and got jumped on, derided, bullied and banned, you cant win for trying sometimes, just glad this forum exists where neither camps have any control, blessing really especially for on off fence sitters

Twitter is a whole different kettle of fish, irrelevant here IMO

Twitter may be irrelevant as far as your concerned but if you are the kids of one of the McCanns' friends and you google daddy's name, the first link that pops up is to someone on twitter impersonating him and accusing him of child sex abuse.  The person behind that twitter account also helps to run the Controversy Facebook page and recruiting new members.

If parents are going to let their young kids go online they have a reaponaibility for them, especially if they havebeen involved in a high profile case, and in this case in such an unfortunate way, in this case, Mr Payne should do something about it, I find it hardto believe he doesnt know about it, he has the option to get twitter to ban that ID as it impersonates his name and picture, get brit police involved and also the ability to sue,I agree that user name and tweets are decrepit as its all based on a friends interpretation of gestures and half heard conversations denoting in her mind paedophilia involving 2 year olds

A further issue, in my view, is that it isn't just a matter of the kids themselves googling - wannabe bullies could also do so and may well try to make their lives a misery.

[Mo Stache]

No.

Knowing now what I know about Portuguese evidence gathering, I would be very economical with information that I would not want in the public view. Not at all in the interests of justice.

I am interested to hear more about your view on 'not in the interest of justice'. Could you please elaborate?

Any rule that makes it more difficult to get true information in a criminal investigation is 'not in the interests of justice.'

Consider: You witness a crime as you leave your lover's house; you are married. If you give a statement to the Portuguese police, you know that your spouse will read that statement in the fullness of time.

I suspect that most people's memory would become somewhat hazy in such a circumstance!

I understand what you have said, but is it a 'rule' to publish material to the public domain in Portugal? I can't recall having seen any other missing child case where the files have been released to the public domain and allowed on the internet.

I assume that they didn't just decide to release this case file alone. Why would they do that?

Are you suggesting/assuming that the Portuguese police consulted the UK police before deciding to release the files? 

[DCI]

No.

Knowing now what I know about Portuguese evidence gathering, I would be very economical with information that I would not want in the public view. Not at all in the interests of justice.

I am interested to hear more about your view on 'not in the interest of justice'. Could you please elaborate?

Any rule that makes it more difficult to get true information in a criminal investigation is 'not in the interests of justice.'

Consider: You witness a crime as you leave your lover's house; you are married. If you give a statement to the Portuguese police, you know that your spouse will read that statement in the fullness of time.

I suspect that most people's memory would become somewhat hazy in such a circumstance!

I understand what you have said, but is it a 'rule' to publish material to the public domain in Portugal? I can't recall having seen any other missing child case where the files have been released to the public domain and allowed on the internet.

It seems if you pay good Euro's for info in Portugal, you can buy anything. Just like Kate's diary was sold to the highest bidder. That was sold to a newspaper for 18,000 Euro's, if I remember correctly. 

[debunker]

No.

[Mo Stache]

No.

Knowing now what I know about Portuguese evidence gathering, I would be very economical with information that I would not want in the public view. Not at all in the interests of justice.

I am interested to hear more about your view on 'not in the interest of justice'. Could you please elaborate?

Any rule that makes it more difficult to get true information in a criminal investigation is 'not in the interests of justice.'

Consider: You witness a crime as you leave your lover's house; you are married. If you give a statement to the Portuguese police, you know that your spouse will read that statement in the fullness of time.

I suspect that most people's memory would become somewhat hazy in such a circumstance!

I understand what you have said, but is it a 'rule' to publish material to the public domain in Portugal? I can't recall having seen any other missing child case where the files have been released to the public domain and allowed on the internet.

It seems if you pay good Euro's for info in Portugal, you can buy anything. Just like Kate's diary was sold to the highest bidder. That was sold by police, to a newspaper for 18,000 Euro's, if I remember correctly. 

It's not only the Portuguese who are at fault though. Do you remember someone in the UK who wasn't related to the McCann's and who paid to obtain a copy of Madeleine's birth certificate and posted it to the internet? The release of the police files also resulted in some keyboard detectives obtaining private information and post it to the internet.   

[debunker]

No.

Knowing now what I know about Portuguese evidence gathering, I would be very economical with information that I would not want in the public view. Not at all in the interests of justice.

I am interested to hear more about your view on 'not in the interest of justice'. Could you please elaborate?

Any rule that makes it more difficult to get true information in a criminal investigation is 'not in the interests of justice.'

Consider: You witness a crime as you leave your lover's house; you are married. If you give a statement to the Portuguese police, you know that your spouse will read that statement in the fullness of time.

I suspect that most people's memory would become somewhat hazy in such a circumstance!

I understand what you have said, but is it a 'rule' to publish material to the public domain in Portugal? I can't recall having seen any other missing child case where the files have been released to the public domain and allowed on the internet.

It seems if you pay good Euro's for info in Portugal, you can buy anything. Just like Kate's diary was sold to the highest bidder. That was sold by police, to a newspaper for 18,000 Euro's, if I remember correctly. 

It's not only the Portuguese who are at fault though. Do you remember someone in the UK who wasn't related to the McCann's and who paid to obtain a copy of Madeleine's birth certificate and posted it to the internet? The release of the police files also resulted in some keyboard detectives obtaining private information and post it to the internet.

Birth Certificates are in the Public DOmain as a matter of policy. Police investigations should not be.

The release of the files has kept the ghouls going for years!