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Offline Carana

Re: The 'Hate' Question.
« Reply #150 on: May 16, 2013, 06:24:08 PM »

Rereading, perhaps I can understand a point, if you mean that countries should automatically share info about potentially dangerous citizens who could be in another country.

As far as I know, there is no Europe-wide sharing mechanism for the moment. I already posted what I'd found on that a few weeks ago. Some countries are only just in the process of thinking of a sex offender register at national level.

And any such system would have to be kept securely away from fans fluttering confidential documents out of windows.
Yes that was the point I tried to mean. I remember the document you sent. And, yes, the guarantee of this intelligence's confidentiality might be the main factor explaining there's no sharing at European level, each State having to protect its citizens, whatever they did.

It seems very complicated.

Each country has its own legislation regarding privacy, age of consent, reflections as to whether personal details of former criminals should be made available or not... I can well imagine that it's a nightmare to make progress.

Then there is the issue of suspects under surveillance.

Every country has its leaks and is at different stages of establishing a police press service.

No doubt countries do cooperate on a case by case basis - or have a history of mutual confidence.
The UK and Spain seem to be working well together on a bilateral basis at catching sex offenders or other dangerous criminals. So it does seem possible, but it will take time to establish, or re-establish, mutual confidence between other countries.


Offline Carana

Re: The 'Hate' Question.
« Reply #151 on: May 16, 2013, 06:31:59 PM »
(I only lament those files weren't sent to the PJ when Joana disappeared), but it seems to me this diary issue, inter alia, deserve to be cleared up, even if money seems to have resolved the issue.

Interesting comment, Anne. Are you not entirely convinced that she was murdered by her family?


The PJ could have gone through Europol to check on any known or suspected foreign sex offenders in the area. Did the PJ check their own criminal records?
Carana, the only thing I know about this case is that it was related by some to the Madeleine one, the common point being that the police *, in both cases, suspected the parents to be involved in the disappearance.
I found it revealing, in an EU point of view vs a nationalist one, that the UK sends to Portugal a list of potentially dangerous British citizens only when a child of the same nationality is missing.
But you could answer me that it doesn't make any difference since no child was abducted (by a stranger) since Madeleine disappeared.

* There's a more specific point: both cases involved Amaral who suspected the families in both cases... 

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Re: The 'Hate' Question.
« Reply #152 on: May 16, 2013, 06:38:19 PM »

* There's a more specific point: both cases involved Amaral who suspected the families in both cases...
Yes, I'm aware of this. But didn't Mr Amaral express his suspicions much later in Madeleine case ?

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Re: The 'Hate' Question.
« Reply #153 on: May 16, 2013, 06:42:51 PM »

* There's a more specific point: both cases involved Amaral who suspected the families in both cases...
Yes, I'm aware of this. But didn't Mr Amaral express his suspicions much later in Madeleine case ?

No Anne, he suspected them on the 4th May.

Friday May 4th

This morning I am worried; something isn't right in the account of the events:

How could he come to that conclusion, on that morning, when the second forensic photo's and other tests hadn't even been done, by then.
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« Reply #154 on: May 16, 2013, 07:04:58 PM »

* There's a more specific point: both cases involved Amaral who suspected the families in both cases...
Yes, I'm aware of this. But didn't Mr Amaral express his suspicions much later in Madeleine case ?

No Anne, he suspected them on the 4th May.

Friday May 4th

This morning I am worried; something isn't right in the account of the events:
Well, I should have been more specific and said "openly expressed", because he said so retrospectively.. I'm suspecting an excuse.. So many suspicions, gosh !

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Re: The 'Hate' Question.
« Reply #155 on: May 16, 2013, 07:14:24 PM »

* There's a more specific point: both cases involved Amaral who suspected the families in both cases...
Yes, I'm aware of this. But didn't Mr Amaral express his suspicions much later in Madeleine case ?

No Anne, he suspected them on the 4th May.

Friday May 4th

This morning I am worried; something isn't right in the account of the events:
Well, I should have been more specific and said "openly expressed", because he said so retrospectively.. I'm suspecting an excuse.. So many suspicions, gosh !

Retrospectively, or not, he wrote it in his book. So, to me, that was his thoughts on the 4th May.
If it was said retrospectively, that would mean, his whole book was retrospective
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« Reply #156 on: May 16, 2013, 07:17:18 PM »

Retrospectively, or not, he wrote it in his book. So, to me, that was his thoughts on the 4th May.
If it was said retrospectively, that would mean, his whole book was retrospective
I don't agree with that, DCI. It happens so many times people say "I knew it !" when in fact they didn't !

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« Reply #157 on: May 16, 2013, 07:22:05 PM »

Retrospectively, or not, he wrote it in his book. So, to me, that was his thoughts on the 4th May.
If it was said retrospectively, that would mean, his whole book was retrospective
I don't agree with that, DCI. It happens so many times people say "I knew it !" when in fact they didn't !

I didn't expect you to, Anne.
But Amaral say's "he knew it" when in fact "he didn't".
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« Reply #158 on: May 16, 2013, 07:25:24 PM »
Amaral was quite put out, because Justine McGuinness, stayed in, on Kate's interview. I wonder why?
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Offline Angelo222

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« Reply #159 on: May 16, 2013, 07:42:51 PM »
Anne, do you not accept that the Portuguese police leaked Kate's diary to journalists?
De troothe has the annoying habit of coming to the surface just when you least expect it!!

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« Reply #160 on: May 16, 2013, 08:21:36 PM »
Anne, do you not accept that the Portuguese police leaked Kate's diary to journalists?
Angelo, what does "the Portuguese police" mean ? It's a bit like saying "French cooking is awful or marvellous". It says nothing in fact. I don't like the fricassée but I love the pot au feu.
So unless you can prove a certain person linked to the police, perhaps a cleaning person who found the thrown away diary in a bin, leaked it to get money out of it, I think it's reasonable not to comment.
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« Reply #161 on: May 16, 2013, 08:31:32 PM »

* There's a more specific point: both cases involved Amaral who suspected the families in both cases...
Yes, I'm aware of this. But didn't Mr Amaral express his suspicions much later in Madeleine case ?

No Anne, he suspected them on the 4th May.

Friday May 4th

This morning I am worried; something isn't right in the account of the events:

How could he come to that conclusion, on that morning, when the second forensic photo's and other tests hadn't even been done, by then.

Still May 4th

When drawing up the report of the first observations, which must be forwarded to the district Judiciary Court of Lagos, we are undecided about the legal denomination of the events. Finally, we opt for "abduction??," adding two question marks after the word to express our uncertainty. The decision was not taken lightly. That decision preserves the interests of the various opposing parties, those of the parents, those of the child, not to say those of the investigation itself.
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If Kate's journal is to be believed, the twins suffered from problems of that nature during the days following their sister's disappearance.
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« Reply #162 on: May 16, 2013, 08:37:18 PM »
What do you mean, DCI ?
Do you find the ? after abduction indicates suspicion or a reasonable doubt as always in the beginning of an inquiry ?
What were the twins suffering of ?

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« Reply #163 on: May 16, 2013, 08:50:14 PM »
What do you mean, DCI ?
Do you find the ? after abduction indicates suspicion or a reasonable doubt as always in the beginning of an inquiry ?
What were the twins suffering of ?


Finally? He had hardly woken up, let alone done any investigating.

"Finally, we opt for "abduction??," adding two question marks after the word to express our uncertainty".


You would have to ask Amaral, What were the twins suffering,  Anne. His words not mine!

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« Reply #164 on: May 16, 2013, 10:08:12 PM »
What do you mean, DCI ?
Do you find the ? after abduction indicates suspicion or a reasonable doubt as always in the beginning of an inquiry ?
What were the twins suffering of ?



Finally? He had hardly woken up, let alone done any investigating.

"Finally, we opt for "abduction??," adding two question marks after the word to express our uncertainty".


You would have to ask Amaral, What were the twins suffering,  Anne. His words not mine!
Have I a problem with English ?
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