Eddie's alert in the garden

[Alice Purjorick]

A lone voice, perhaps, but I still don't understand what the outcome of the garden episode actually was.

Bits of a shrub were sent off... ok. No blood found and any fibres unlikely to have been of any relevance. Did I miss something?

But then I'm still confused about the differences between the video of the clothes inspection in the gym and what the PJ noted.

You and me both. I would rely on what is said in the ruling document which in this instance is the archiving report.

[misty]

A lone voice, perhaps, but I still don't understand what the outcome of the garden episode actually was.

Bits of a shrub were sent off... ok. No blood found and any fibres unlikely to have been of any relevance. Did I miss something?

But then I'm still confused about the differences between the video of the clothes inspection in the gym and what the PJ noted.

There hasn't been an outcome. Reference was made to a smell in the flowerbed by Grime. We have no idea if this was followed up, although we do know that certain exhibits from the garden were removed at some stage later & set away for testing.
Pegasus could see Eddie digging in the flowerbed. Eddie dug at the Bob Rose burial site. Has anyone dug up the garden at 5a?

[Carana]

There hasn't been an outcome. Reference was made to a smell in the flowerbed by Grime. We have no idea if this was followed up, although we do know that certain exhibits from the garden were removed at some stage later & set away for testing.
Pegasus could see Eddie digging in the flowerbed. Eddie dug at the Bob Rose burial site. Has anyone dug up the garden at 5a?

Grime and Eddie seemed a bit bewildered that night.

I'm still curious as to whether there was a crawl space or not and whether anyone followed up on that possibility.

[pegasus]

Grime and Eddie seemed a bit bewildered that night.

I'm still curious as to whether there was a crawl space or not and whether anyone followed up on that possibility.

They look bewildered, this is very much a photographic effect of the lighting.
However, Eddie possibly might be saying something like "I need to get closer" just IMO (and I'm no dog expert).
And the handler seems uncertain exactly how to interpret the alert.

[pegasus]

There hasn't been an outcome. Reference was made to a smell in the flowerbed by Grime. We have no idea if this was followed up, although we do know that certain exhibits from the garden were removed at some stage later & set away for testing.
Pegasus could see Eddie digging in the flowerbed. Eddie dug at the Bob Rose burial site. Has anyone dug up the garden at 5a?

I'm not sure it's digging, but at one stage he sort of tunnels his nose way down low into the thick plant cover in the flowerbed, could this be what "right at the root" refers to?

[misty]

I'm not sure it's digging, but at one stage he sort of tunnels his nose way down low into the thick plant cover in the flowerbed, could this be what "right at the root" refers to?

Probably fertiliser then, hence the weak alert.
I thought they both looked hot & tired & Eddie was saying "can we go now please?".

[pathfinder73]

There was no body there or Eddie would have found it. They went back to inspect and gather items. If a body was there for a very short time period then the scent would be a lot weaker being outdoors 3 months later.

[misty]

There was no body there or Eddie would have found it. They went back to inspect and gather items. If a body was there for a very short time period then the scent would be a lot weaker being outdoors 3 months later.

Would Eddie have found a body wrapped in a dozen bin liners & buried?

[Mr Gray]

There was no body there or Eddie would have found it. They went back to inspect and gather items. If a body was there for a very short time period then the scent would be a lot weaker being outdoors 3 months later.

it would be non existent

[mercury]

Would Eddie have found a body wrapped in a dozen bin liners & buried?

He could locate remains under concrete,whether thats because of material permeability Im not sure
The dog(s) used in the Tia Sharp case alerted to her body wrapped in a bin bag, so it might be possible,then again it depends I suppose if a body had lain there or not before being concealed allowing contamnation (if not possible).Then again, maybe its possible if there was a tear, all grisly and academic

[pathfinder73]

Would Eddie have found a body wrapped in a dozen bin liners & buried?

Who had time to do that with the Benny Hill mob coming and going? Jes saw Gerry suddenly appearing from that location.

[misty]

He could locate remains under concrete,whether thats because of material permeability Im not sure
The dog(s) used in the Tia Sharp case alerted to her body wrapped in a bin bag, so it might be possible,then again it depends I suppose if a body had lain there or not before being concealed allowing contamnation (if not possible).Then again, maybe its possible if there was a tear, all grisly and academic

This is an interesting read - David Guilfoyle murder - start at page 60. http://library.college.police.uk/docs/J_Homicide_MII/J_Homicide_10.2.pdf

Despite knowing where the victim was buried, it took a tremendous amount of effort to locate his remains in a shallow grave & there was no alert  by the cadaver dogs.

[mercury]

This is an interesting read - David Guilfoyle murder - start at page 60. http://library.college.police.uk/docs/J_Homicide_MII/J_Homicide_10.2.pdf

Despite knowing where the victim was buried, it took a tremendous amount of effort to locate his remains in a shallow grave & there was no alert  by the cadaver dogs.

Theres always a reason and each case is different
Will have a read later or tomorrow, off to watch Afterlife ,thanks for link

[pathfinder73]

Thanks Misty.

If the victim is transported by the offender, 88% of bodies are deposited with 50 metres of the vehicle and the remainder within 150 metres.

He described digging a shallow grave no more than six inches deep and placing the body in it, wrapped in a plastic sheet.

More worryingly, in the years since the body had been buried the area had changed significantly with trees being felled and replaced and some of the area had changed from woodland to grouse shooting. We had clearly underestimated the difficulty that this would pose in trying to follow the directions Fitzpatrick had given and the indications he had made on the map.

Fitzpatrick was becoming agitated at his inability to locate the body but said he was sure that we were in the right area. It seemed clear to me that he was genuinely trying to assist but that the changes in the landscape were making the task very tricky.

Based on the previous searches and the areas indicated by Fitzpatrick during his visit, we identified a number of sites of potential interest and prioritised these for excavation by the mechanical digger. This proved successful and on the
afternoon of Friday 9th November, a piece of blue plastic sheeting was uncovered. Further examination confirmed the presence of David’s body wrapped in a plastic sheet located in a shallow grave as described by Fitzpatrick.

[misty]

Thanks Misty.

If the victim is transported by the offender, 88% of bodies are deposited with 50 metres of the vehicle and the remainder within 150 metres.

He described digging a shallow grave no more than six inches deep and placing the body in it, wrapped in a plastic sheet.

More worryingly, in the years since the body had been buried the area had changed significantly with trees being felled and replaced and some of the area had changed from woodland to grouse shooting. We had clearly underestimated the difficulty that this would pose in trying to follow the directions Fitzpatrick had given and the indications he had made on the map.

Fitzpatrick was becoming agitated at his inability to locate the body but said he was sure that we were in the right area. It seemed clear to me that he was genuinely trying to assist but that the changes in the landscape were making the task very tricky.

Based on the previous searches and the areas indicated by Fitzpatrick during his visit, we identified a number of sites of potential interest and prioritised these for excavation by the mechanical digger. This proved successful and on the
afternoon of Friday 9th November, a piece of blue plastic sheeting was uncovered. Further examination confirmed the presence of David’s body wrapped in a plastic sheet located in a shallow grave as described by Fitzpatrick.

How do you equate 88% & the distance, as detailed in the statistics above, with the Smithman sighting?