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Offline Gadfly1.3

Re: Eddie's alert in the garden
« Reply #45 on: April 12, 2016, 09:05:30 PM »
there has to be a physical source present for any alert although it may not be visible to the naked eye...the point is taht after 3 months all molecules would have dissipated imo

You have any cites/scientific knowledge in the area we should know about Davel?  Or is that simply speculative? 
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On 12 May 2011 the Metropolitan Police Service (MPS) announced that, at the request of the Home Secretary, it had agreed to bring its particular expertise to the Madeleine McCann case.

The then Commissioner, Sir Paul Stephenson, considered the request and took the decision that on balance it was the right thing to do. This was subject to funding being made available by the Home Office, as this case is beyond the MPS's jurisdiction.  The Portuguese authorities retain the lead.

Offline misty

Re: Eddie's alert in the garden
« Reply #46 on: April 12, 2016, 09:09:09 PM »
The moment it went into an official document, cited below.

Cite: http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/EDDIE-KEELA.htm


How can it be official if it's translated from French?

Offline Gadfly1.3

Re: Eddie's alert in the garden
« Reply #47 on: April 12, 2016, 09:11:05 PM »
Absolutely no idea what you are talking about Misty

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But returning to the main theme:

Does anyone have any thoughts as to why Eddie, the cadaver dog, alerted in the garden of G5A (McCann apartment)?

He did not alert in any other garden searched, for the record.

Cite: http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/EDDIE-KEELA.htm
« Last Edit: April 12, 2016, 09:18:21 PM by Gadfly1.3 »
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On 12 May 2011 the Metropolitan Police Service (MPS) announced that, at the request of the Home Secretary, it had agreed to bring its particular expertise to the Madeleine McCann case.

The then Commissioner, Sir Paul Stephenson, considered the request and took the decision that on balance it was the right thing to do. This was subject to funding being made available by the Home Office, as this case is beyond the MPS's jurisdiction.  The Portuguese authorities retain the lead.

Offline Mr Gray

Re: Eddie's alert in the garden
« Reply #48 on: April 12, 2016, 09:12:18 PM »
You have any cites/scientific knowledge in the area we should know about Davel?  Or is that simply speculative?

I certainly have scientific knowledge in the area..its basic chemistry

Offline jassi

Re: Eddie's alert in the garden
« Reply #49 on: April 12, 2016, 09:19:47 PM »
I didn't realise that O level chemistry covered cadaver scents - it certainly didn't in my day.
I believe everything. And l believe nothing.
I suspect everyone. And l suspect no one.
I gather the facts, examine the clues... and before   you know it, the case is solved!"

Or maybe not -

OG have been pushed out by the Germans who have reserved all the deck chairs for the foreseeable future

Offline Gadfly1.3

Re: Eddie's alert in the garden
« Reply #50 on: April 12, 2016, 09:20:58 PM »
I didn't realise that O level chemistry covered cadaver scents - it certainly didn't in my day.

Ok, let us test Davel.  This is the EASIEST question on an A-level Chemistry paper. (Taken by 17/18 year olds).  Have a go at it and prove your credentials.  I'll give you the answer soon.


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On 12 May 2011 the Metropolitan Police Service (MPS) announced that, at the request of the Home Secretary, it had agreed to bring its particular expertise to the Madeleine McCann case.

The then Commissioner, Sir Paul Stephenson, considered the request and took the decision that on balance it was the right thing to do. This was subject to funding being made available by the Home Office, as this case is beyond the MPS's jurisdiction.  The Portuguese authorities retain the lead.

Offline Mr Gray

Re: Eddie's alert in the garden
« Reply #51 on: April 12, 2016, 09:25:07 PM »
I didn't realise that O level chemistry covered cadaver scents - it certainly didn't in my day.

some of us went beyond O level...

I would be looking at the number of molecules deposited by contact with a cadaver...then the rate of dilution by rain and evaporation by heat...then there is degradation in the soil..and estimating what would be left after 3 months.

the only study I have seen suggests that cadaver scent can last up to 12 months in a CLOSED building... I can't see how it could last 3 months in the open with dilution by wind and rain...what do you think

ferryman

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Re: Eddie's alert in the garden
« Reply #52 on: April 12, 2016, 09:28:56 PM »
So to sum up so far:

Pegasus and Jassi consider that either a cadaver or something that has come in contact with a cadaver could have been the cause of Eddie's alert.  Davel is sceptical that cadaverine can survive in the open, but has no cite.  And Shining repeats Gerry McCann's argument that we need to ask the dogs.

My view is cadaver dogs, alert to human cadavers an overwhelming percentage of the time -- but clearly, the dogs are simply a guide to helping the PJ and SY understand what went on both at 5A, but also in some of the dig sights of 2014.

The best approach is to forget cadaver/cadaverine (incidentally separate and distinct scents) and (at least in respect of PdL) foucus exclusively on the handler.

Not for nothing did Harrison (then representing an arm of the British police) distance himself entirely from inspections in places Madeleine never lived in or went near, inspections he had nothing to do with, including that (unlike other searches) he did not recommend them ....

Offline Mr Gray

Re: Eddie's alert in the garden
« Reply #53 on: April 12, 2016, 09:31:12 PM »
Ok, let us test Davel.  This is the EASIEST question on an A-level Chemistry paper. (Taken by 17/18 year olds).  Have a go at it and prove your credentials.  I'll give you the answer soon.



I said basic chemistrty...its been neraly 50 yrs since I took Alevel but it looks like the answer is A..all the others have a degree of isometry

Offline Gadfly1.3

Re: Eddie's alert in the garden
« Reply #54 on: April 12, 2016, 09:32:55 PM »
A is incorrect.  But what was your logic?
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On 12 May 2011 the Metropolitan Police Service (MPS) announced that, at the request of the Home Secretary, it had agreed to bring its particular expertise to the Madeleine McCann case.

The then Commissioner, Sir Paul Stephenson, considered the request and took the decision that on balance it was the right thing to do. This was subject to funding being made available by the Home Office, as this case is beyond the MPS's jurisdiction.  The Portuguese authorities retain the lead.

Offline sadie

Re: Eddie's alert in the garden
« Reply #55 on: April 12, 2016, 09:33:46 PM »
Absolutely no idea what you are talking about Misty

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But returning to the main theme:

Does anyone have any thoughts as to why Eddie, the cadaver dog, alerted in the garden of G5A (McCann apartment)?

He did not alert in any other garden searched, for the record.

Cite: http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/EDDIE-KEELA.htm
Yep, probably someone was taken short and popped in there for a quick pee.

Offline Mr Gray

Re: Eddie's alert in the garden
« Reply #56 on: April 12, 2016, 09:39:32 PM »
A is incorrect.  But what was your logic?

I have answered the question above......maths was my forte

6 25 64 81 32...whats the next number...i solved this when i was 15....havent met anyone else who has solved it

stephen25000

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Re: Eddie's alert in the garden
« Reply #57 on: April 12, 2016, 09:39:55 PM »
I said basic chemistrty...its been neraly 50 yrs since I took Alevel but it looks like the answer is A..all the others have a degree of isometry

If it helps davel, look up on google trans-/cis-, or Stereoisomerism in the form of Geometrical Isomerism, the latter of which some exam boards do not allow reference to anymore.

and a bit more if it helps..

trans- is now called the E- form, and cis- is  Z- form.

Offline Mr Gray

Re: Eddie's alert in the garden
« Reply #58 on: April 12, 2016, 09:42:49 PM »
If it helps davel, look up on google trans-/cis-, or Stereoisomerism in the form of Geometrical Isomerism, the latter of which some exam boards do not allow reference to anymore.

and a bit more if it helps..

trans- is now called the E- form, and cis- is  Z- form.

stephen....I took a level almost 50 yrs ago...have a look at my number sequence...that's raw intelligence and reasoning power

stephen25000

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Re: Eddie's alert in the garden
« Reply #59 on: April 12, 2016, 09:43:02 PM »
I have answered the question above......maths was my forte

6 25 64 81 32...whats the next number...i solved this when i was 15....havent met anyone else who has solved it

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