Eddie's alert in the garden

[Mr Gray]

1.

correct...try it out on your friends....32 gives it away doesn't it

[stephen25000]

correct...try it out on your friends

Have you worked out the isomerism question dave, you have 3 choices left ?

I have P.M.'d the answer to several posters as soon as I saw the question.

[Mr Gray]

so stephen.....my ideas on why remnant  cadaverine scent would not last 3 moths outdoors...could you apply your immense knowledge to that

[stephen25000]

so stephen.....my ideas on why remnant  cadaverine scent would not last 3 moths outdoors...could you apply your immense knowledge to that

You gave your opinion without cites.

So let's see you for a change justify your statement, rhetoric is irrelevant.

[Mr Gray]

You gave your opinion without cites.

So let's see you for a change justify your statement, rhetoric is irrelevant.

so you are unable to offer a critique...fair enough...it makes perfect sense..its  ashame you are more interested trying to score personal points against me than discussing an important and interesting point

[stephen25000]

so you are unable to offer a critique...fair enough...it makes perfect sense

You have made a claim.

Now back it up with facts.

After all , isn't that the correct forum procedure.

[Mr Gray]

You have made a claim.

Now back it up with facts.

After all , isn't that the correct forum procedure.

I have put forward a theory...based on dilution and based on the only study anyone has quoted here on how long remnant scent lasts...you seem unable to counter it....

[Mr Gray]

I would be looking at the number of molecules deposited by contact with a cadaver...then the rate of dilution by rain and evaporation by heat...then there is degradation in the soil..and estimating what would be left after 3 months.

the only study I have seen suggests that cadaver scent can last up to 12 months in a CLOSED building... I can't see how it could last 3 months in the open with dilution by wind and rain...what do you think



there you are stephen......can you make a useful comment..grime didn't ask for a soil sample...perhaps he agrees with me

[stephen25000]

I have put forward a theory...based on dilution and based on the only study anyone has quoted here on how long remnant scent lasts...you seem unable to counter it....

You have given no theory at all, just your view.

Do you know the soil chemistry in that area, rainfall patterns, types of vegetation, the adsorbtion rates of pentane-1,5-diaamine and other compounds, their relative volatilities, temperature records of the area, pH of the solid involved ?

That is just to start.

[Brietta]

The moment it went into an official document, cited below.

Cite: http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/EDDIE-KEELA.htm

It is interesting that despite continual affirmations that the McCanns were suspected only of concealing their daughter's remains after her accidental death it seems that was not the actual thinking of those who wrote this report.

** snip
In addition, we can observe that a cadaver odour was detected in the garden adjacent to apartment 5A. Nothing was detected in the other residences.

It follows from this investigation that there are indications, in practice and in the facts, of the crime of murder such as defined in ArticleQI310 of the Penal Code.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/EDDIE-KEELA.htm


So much being invested in what the dogs appeared to be telling them may have clouded judgement more than a little.

Eddie did not give his trained response of continual barking while in the garden ( a sneeze and a half hearted single bark) nor did his handler make any claim about the possibility of reaction to cadaver scent.  On camera he says "There is some interest here but it will take further examination to see what's going on"

At approximately 57:10 something is lifted from the flower bed to be looked at on the morrow in daylight.  Anyone know what it was, it doesn't appear to be mentioned in any evidence chain?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c4NMYPsFKb8

[Mr Gray]

You have given no theory at all, just your view.

Do you know the soil chemistry in that area, rainfall patterns, types of vegetation, the adsorbtion rates of pentane-1,5-diaamine and other compounds, their relative volatility especially, temperature records of the area, pH of the solid involved ?

That is just to start.

remnant scent last 12 months in a CLOSED building....how long do you think it would last outside in wind and rain...it is not a difficult question

[stephen25000]

remnant scent last 12 months in a CLOSED building....how long do you think it would last outside in wind and rain...it is not a difficult question

How much rain fell Dave ?

How much exposure was there to wind and rain ?

Perhaps we should take Gerry  ccanns advice and ask the dogs.

[Brietta]

Absolutely no idea what you are talking about Misty. 

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But returning to the main theme:

Does anyone have any thoughts as to why Eddie, the cadaver dog, alerted in the garden of G5A (McCann apartment)?

He did not alert in any other garden searched, for the record.

Cite: http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/EDDIE-KEELA.htm

His handler made no such claim for him alerting in the garden at 5A. 

[Mr Gray]

How much rain fell Dave ?

How much exposure was there to wind and rain ?

now you are thinking.....how many times did it rain in 3 months...then we have wind...there would be nothing left...just like when a homeopath repeatedly dilutes his ingredients...eventually there is not one molecule left in the solution...did you know that

[Mr Gray]

My experience of portugal is quite a lot of very heavy rain..in short bursts of course