The disappearance of Joana Cipriano and why was she not reported missing sooner?

[icabodcrane]

The brother does indeed seem to have a criminal record. And he was apparently staying at that home at the time.

That would seem to be a legitimate antenna-raising reason for the PJ to investigate.

But I'm less convinced about what happened to the child.

Joana's mother and uncle have been convicted of her murder

The uncle,  who, when not living in Joana's home lived in cars,  has previously been in prison for violent crime

The mother has six children by five different men,  three of whom she subsequently abandoned

There is an attempt on this thread to  'normalise'  their behaviour on the night Joana went missing,  when, in truth,  normal behaviours could not really be expected of this pair

[Benice]

It does seem to be an odd excuse as she could have telephoned 112 free of charge.  Did the other adults also have no credit on their phone?  The GNR were in the village in any event so why not just go see them?i

Following the phone call she did go and speak to them John.

Quote from the Case Ruling:

  following said telephone call that the arguida ended up talking to GNR officers near the church in Figueira'
unquote.

Which is why I am asking the question .....''What did the GNR  do about it?''

The following morning she went to the police station and reported her daughter missing.  That would imply that the GNR did nothing at all after Leonor spoke to them - so it would appear that not even the police were concerned at that time.





 

[Benice]

Joana's mother and uncle have been convicted of her murder

The uncle,  who, when not living in Joana's home lived in cars,  has previously been in prison for violent crime

The mother has six children by five different men,  three of whom she subsequently abandoned

There is an attempt on this thread to  'normalise'  their behaviour on the night Joana went missing,  when, in truth,  normal behaviours could not really be expected of this pair

Do you think it was normal behaviour for the GNR to do nothing after Leonor met up with them and reported her daughter missing at around 1 o'clock in the morning?



 

[John]

Following the phone call she did go and speak to them John.

Quote from the Case Ruling:

  following said telephone call that the arguida ended up talking to GNR officers near the church in Figueira'
unquote.

Which is why I am asking the question .....''What did The GNR  do about it?''

The following morning she went to the police station and reported her daughter missing.  That would imply that the GNR did nothing at all after Leonor spoke to them - so it would appear that not even the police were concerned at that time.

I will have to do a bit more research on this when I get home but it could  very well be a case of keep looking and if she doesn't turn up by the morning to come to the police station.

[John]

Do you think it was normal behaviour for the GNR to do nothing after Leonor met up with them and reported her daughter missing at around 1 o'clock in the morning?

Normal behaviour does not appear to sit too well with Leonor. What was normal to her was alien to most of us. We cannot therefore judge her actions by our own standards.  What does appear to be without dispute however was her abysmal parenting skills.  She abandoned most of her offspring to others to look after.  It is little wonder therefore that the police were not in a great hurry to go looking for one of them. 
 

[Carana]

Normal behaviour does not appear to sit too well with Leonor. What was normal to her was alien to most of us. We cannot therefore judge her actions by our own standards.  What does appear to be without dispute however was her abysmal parenting skills.  She abandoned most of her offspring to others to look after.  It is little wonder therefore that the police were not in a great hurry to go looking for one of them. 
 

It's lucky that people in the UK hadn't given up hope of finding Shannon alive ...

[Benice]

Normal behaviour does not appear to sit too well with Leonor. What was normal to her was alien to most of us. We cannot therefore judge her actions by our own standards.  What does appear to be without dispute however was her abysmal parenting skills.  She abandoned most of her offspring to others to look after.  It is little wonder therefore that the police were not in a great hurry to go looking for one of them. 
 

I'm shocked that you would give bad parenting skills as a justification for the GNR to ignore a report of a missing 8 year old girl in the early hours of the morning.

I don't know the circumstances of what happened with her children.  She was 18 when she first married, and  it could be that she was abandoned by their fathers and couldn't cope.   Who knows  -  but it does seem to be a habit to blame the mother for everything.   No blame attached to Joana's father or uncle for not ringing the police earlier I notice, only the mother is condemned.




 

[Dog The Bounty Hunter]

What was it??   Six little dudes by five different men says it all in my book.   

I'm shocked that you would give bad parenting skills as a justification for the GNR to ignore a report of a missing 8 year old girl in the early hours of the morning.

I don't know the circumstances of what happened with her children.  She was 18 when she first married, and  it could be that she was abandoned by their fathers and couldn't cope.   Who knows  -  but it does seem to be a habit to blame the mother for everything.   No blame attached to Joana's father or uncle for not ringing the police earlier I notice, only the mother is condemned.

[Benice]

What was it??   Six little dudes by five different men says it all in my book.   

I'm afraid I cant see the connection between that and having the capacity to murder your own child, cut the body up and feed it to the pigs.   Do the two go together in your opinion?

[sadie]

What was it??   Six little dudes by five different men says it all in my book.   

where did that information come from?

Is it real or is it a myth?

[Eleanor]

     
There's some pretty blatant sexism going on here.  Blame Leonor.  Blame Kate.  Whatever happened to the hunter, gatherer?  The protector of women and children?  Nothing to do with them?

[sadie]

Normal behaviour does not appear to sit too well with Leonor. What was normal to her was alien to most of us. We cannot therefore judge her actions by our own standards.  What does appear to be without dispute however was her abysmal parenting skills.  She abandoned most of her offspring to others to look after.  It is little wonder therefore that the police were not in a great hurry to go looking for one of them. 
 

where do you get this negative information about Leonors parenting skills from, John?

From reports of neighbours and photographs her parenting skills look pretty good to me.

Joana looks a very happy little girl ... also clean and well nourished... with a simply furnished but nice home, also spotlessly clean

[Carana]

I will have to do a bit more research on this when I get home but it could  very well be a case of keep looking and if she doesn't turn up by the morning to come to the police station.

What are you saying, John? That seems somewhat ambiguous to me in terms of what the public might expect as a police response to a missing child.


Whatever the (quite possibly informal) custodial arrangements over time, had she ever declared a child missing before?


When a child goes missing, do the socioeconomic/cultural/ethnic/gender/photogenic characteristics of the family play a role in how seriously the alert is taken by the police and in the media attention?

[Carana]

I'm afraid I cant see the connection between that and having the capacity to murder your own child, cut the body up and feed it to the pigs.   Do the two go together in your opinion?

I can't see it either. Karen Matthews had had several children by different fathers. In that case, whatever went through Karen's head doesn't seem to have taken into account Shannon's best interests (an understatement). Perhaps, one day, they will be able to talk about what happened.

The most important point is that the public hadn't given up on finding Shannon. And the police did check on a lead and found her.... alive. 

[faithlilly]

where do you get this negative information about Leonors parenting skills from, John?

From reports of neighbours and photographs her parenting skills look pretty good to me.

Joana looks a very happy little girl ... also clean and well nourished... with a simply furnished but nice home, also spotlessly clean

Baby P looked clean, happy and well-nourished with his cosy blue jumper and freshly-washed blonde hair.

That was just before he turned up at A and E with a broken back.