The disappearance of Joana Cipriano and why was she not reported missing sooner?

[DCI]

Another happy photo of a bonny child, Joana Cipriano, dressed in a cute and newish looking jump suit.  Spotlessly clean child and spotlessly clean house.

Not expensive furniture ... but sound stuff and well looked after and cared for

Well looked after and cared for, like Joana appears to have been.




And like the neighbours said in the parallel thread, never any signs of maltreatment.

Btw,
Why have we got a parallel thread John?

Haven't we had enough wumming already?


I hope this photograph nwill not be wiped and that the text will not be modified

Sadie, can I just say, That photo is not taken at Joana's home, but in a cafe.

[Redblossom]

So, we have a mother who sends her 8 yr old out on her  own after sunset to the shops a km round trip at 8pm.....does nothing before 10.30 -11 pm, alledgedly assumes (posted by some on here as normal) she must be playing with other kids or at relatives or taking part in the local notting hill festival, (but doesnt ring them to ask if she is there or go and see where she might be until ages later), does not call police (citing no credit on her phone utterly lamentable excuse that it is) or ask anyone else to call the police, it remained for a concerned member of the public to ring the police near 1am! On finding out they had not been rung!

Epitomy of a loving and concerned mother of an 8 yr old.

Was she on drugs? Or are some posters here on them

Other witnesses said she didnt seem bothered or upset!

Now, in *sleepy villages* where everyone knows everyone, people might have a sense of security, but do they let their 8 yr olds out alone and dont check what is going on for two hours plus? Do strangers never pass  by *sleepy villages*?

[Redblossom]

where did that information come from?

Is it real or is it a myth?

Its true, no myths here, why on earth would you bring up the myth factor when you obviously havent even read the basics, ok, dont answer that
 



You seem to have missed the court rulings on this case detailing so much, reposted for your perusal including the fact she abandoned most of her kids


This is the supreme court ruling in the Lenora Cipriano case,  including links to the original portuguese

part 1
http://joana-morais.blogspot.com/2009/07/supreme-court-of-justice-joana-case.html

Part 2
http://joana-morais.blogspot.com/2009/07/supreme-court-of-justice-joana-case_13.html

part 3
http://joana-morais.blogspot.com/2009/07/supreme-court-of-justice-joana-case_5147.html

part 4
http://joana-morais.blogspot.com/2009/07/supreme-court-of-justice-joana-case_15.html

[John]

So, we have a mother who sends her 8 yr old out on her  own after sunset to the shops a km round trip at 8pm.....does nothing before 10.30 -11 pm, alledgedly assumes (posted by some on here as normal) she must be playing with other kids or at relatives or taking part in the local notting hill festival, (but doesnt ring them to ask if she is there or go and see where she might be until ages later, does not call police (citing no credit on her phone utterly lamentable excuse that it is) or ask anyone else to call the police, it remained for a concerned member of the public to ring the police near 1am! On finding out they had not been rung!

Epitomy of a loving and concerned mother of an 8 yr old.

Was she on drugs?

Now, in *sleepy villages* where everyone knows everyone, people might have a sense of security, but do they let their 8 yr olds out alone and dont check what is going on for two hours plus? Do strangers never pass  by *sleepy villages*?

Apparently Joana was much older than her 8 years which might well explain why they weren't really bothered about her disappearance. Several neighbours testified to this and explained that the little girl was more like a slave than a daughter.  She was always running errands for her mother as she was on the evening she disappeared.  It often happened that she had to go to the bakery for Leonor at 3am or 4am as her mother liked the warm cakes.

[Redblossom]

Apparently Joana was much older than her 8 years which might well explain why they weren't really bothered about her disappearance. Several neighbours testified to this and explained that the little girl was more like a slave than a daughter.  She was always running errands for her mother as she was on the evening she disappeared.  It often happened that she had to go to the bakery for Leonor at 2am as her mother liked the warm cakes.

8 yr olds are 8 yr olds for snatchers whether they are slaves to their family or not  or more advanced for their childhood age,  or able to do more chores, or seht out in the bloody dark on their own and not thought about  after the latest half hour they should beback, sickening that there are so many apologists for the mother on here

[John]

What are you saying, John? That seems somewhat ambiguous to me in terms of what the public might expect as a police response to a missing child.

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Whatever the (quite possibly informal) custodial arrangements over time, had she ever declared a child missing before?


When a child goes missing, do the socioeconomic/cultural/ethnic/gender/photogenic characteristics of the family play a role in how seriously the alert is taken by the police and in the media attention?

Yes.  My own experience of these communities is that the police tend to know what goes on to a greater extent than they do in the UK.   The police are part of the fibre of the community and can be seen on the streets whereas in Blighty you would be lucky to ever see the same cop twice and even then only as he whizzes past in a Panda car.  The police knew Leonor and the family by reputation so they probably assumed that the little girl had gone off to stay with a half brother or half sister.

[AnneGuedes]

- Phoning 112 in 2004 in Portugal? Even today it's not a well-known number.

Before 112 became the european emergency number, the Portuguese national emergency number was 115. Up to 2007 you could either call 115 (everybody knew as everybody in the UK knows 999) or 112.
Free of charge.

[Redblossom]

Before 112 became the european emergency number, the Portuguese national emergency number was 115. Up to 2007 you could either call 115 (everybody knew as everybody in the UK knows 999) or 112.
Free of charge.

that a citizen of any country doesnt know the  their own  police emergency  number is a joke, whether it was 999 or 112 or anything else, carana is having a pretty pathetic laugh, oh dear oh dear
 

[John]

where do you get this negative information about Leonors parenting skills from, John?

From reports of neighbours and photographs her parenting skills look pretty good to me.

Joana looks a very happy little girl ... also clean and well nourished... with a simply furnished but nice home, also spotlessly clean

Unbelievable Sadie.  The woman abandoned two of her children already leaving the father to pick up the pieces.  By all accounts it was Joana who looked after her two younger brothers.  To make matters worse she then has a incestuous relationship with her brother behind her common law husbands back.

[Redblossom]

lovely family photo for the album
 





When is this board going to  be rechristened from what happened to madeleine to amaral the satan and leonora the innocent  woman board?

[AnneGuedes]

I can't see it either. Karen Matthews had had several children by different fathers. In that case, whatever went through Karen's head doesn't seem to have taken into account Shannon's best interests (an understatement). Perhaps, one day, they will be able to talk about what happened.

The most important point is that the public hadn't given up on finding Shannon. And the police did check on a lead and found her.... alive.

Why shouldn't the poor girl be alive ? This was a pure staging to get money wasn't it ? Didn't they ask for a little help from the McCann who managed to get so much ?

[DCI]

Why shouldn't the poor girl be alive ? This was a pure staging to get money wasn't it ? Didn't they ask for a little help from the McCann who managed to get so much ?

It is obvious you know nothing of this case Anne, except what you are being told.

Shannon Matthews kidnap 'inspired by donations to Madeleine McCann fund'
Matthews had seven children by five fathers. Four of the children lived with her.


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/law-and-order/3549830/Shannon-Matthews-kidnap-inspired-by-donations-to-Madeleine-McCann-fund.html

[AnneGuedes]

It is obvious you know nothing of this case Anne, except what you are being told.

Shannon Matthews kidnap 'inspired by donations to Madeleine McCann fund'
Matthews had seven children by five fathers. Four of the children lived with her.


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/law-and-order/3549830/Shannon-Matthews-kidnap-inspired-by-donations-to-Madeleine-McCann-fund.html

I admit I know nothing but you're not making it clearer. I remember being amazed not by Mrs Matthews mimicking Mrs McCann with some CC but by everybody seeming to believe her. Of course I ignored then she had planned a faked abduction, but I was sure the mother was taking advantage of her daughter's disappearance.

[Benice]

Unbelievable Sadie.  The woman abandoned two of her children already leaving the father to pick up the pieces.  By all accounts it was Joana who looked after her two younger brothers.  To make matters worse she then has a incestuous relationship with her brother behind her common law husbands back.

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The Pj claimed they had this incestuous relationship - which they gave as the motive,  but it was not beleived by the court who threw it out - thereby removing their whole motive.    The court couldn't find any other motive, but still found them guilty anyway.    How weird is that?

[AnneGuedes]

amaral the satan

Should we dream about some fatwa being launched against him ?