The disappearance of Joana Cipriano and why was she not reported missing sooner?

[AnneGuedes]

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The Pj claimed they had this incestuous relationship - which they gave as the motive,  but it was not beleived by the court who threw it out - thereby removing their whole motive.    The court couldn't find any other motive, but still found them guilty anyway.    How weird is that?

Do you know why ?

[icabodcrane]

Unbelievable Sadie.  The woman abandoned two of her children already leaving the father to pick up the pieces.  By all accounts it was Joana who looked after her two younger brothers.  To make matters worse she then has a incestuous relationship with her brother behind her common law husbands back.

I read in an  Algarve News article  ( dated 2005 )  that Joana was always on  'errands'  day and night,  but your revelation that the little girl was frequently sent out out at 2 o'clock in the morning to fetch warm cakes for her mother dismayed me

The mother is clearly disfunctional,  and the uncle, who was imprisoned for attempted murder, was described by his own lawyer as having well below average intelligence  ...  yet there are those here who insist that the unfortunate child was parented adequately

Unbelievable indeed

[sadie]

Unbelievable Sadie.  The woman abandoned two of her children already leaving the father to pick up the pieces.  By all accounts it was Joana who looked after her two younger brothers.  To make matters worse she then has a incestuous relationship with her brother behind her common law husbands back.

Would you please prove all that John, in English, with sources

And please do not produce a document, 50,000 words long, in a language that is not English as you did last night.

[sadie]

Sadie, can I just say, That photo is not taken at Joana's home, but in a cafe.

Thank you DC1.  I have another photograph of the same place but from a different angle and I am surprised that it is not at home, cos there are no other tables in sight and it shows a lot of the room.

but I am happy to accept what you say.

[DCI]

Would you please prove all that John, in English, with sources

And please do not produce a document, 50,000 words long, in a language that is not English as you did last night.

Also he really ought to know by now that all the incest garbage was thrown out by the appeal court. And does it never dawn on them that there were other people in the house when all this incest, murder and dismemberment was going on?
I'd like to know how Amaral found out Joana was supposed to have walked in on them, in the act!

[sadie]

DC1

I'd like to know how Amaral found out Joana was supposed to have walked in on them, in the act!

Also I would like to know how Amaral knew the method, step by step, of Joanas supposed dissection. 

No body and no witnesses.  No forensics either

So how did he know?




To remind peeps, supposed evidence, tortured out of people is NOT EVIDENCE.

When a tortured person can stand the pain no longer, he / she will say what he is told to say, to stop the pain.



The Official reports / documents that people keep promoting on here are a total  farce.

[John]

Would you please prove all that John, in English, with sources

And please do not produce a document, 50,000 words long, in a language that is not English as you did last night.

It was the original court document Sadie which was the source you asked for in the first place.  I also provided two references in English for you had you bothered to look.

The extent of the neglect afforded that little girl was widely reported during the trial, she was nothing more than a slave to her mother according to the neighbours who testified in court.  I have yet to see any evidence which shows Leonor in anything but a bad light.  What the PJ detectives did to her was inexcusable but that doesn't change what she herself was like as a person.

[Eleanor]

It was the original court document Sadie which was the source you asked for in the first place.  I also provided two references in English for you had you bothered to look.

The extent of the neglect afforded that little girl was widely reported during the trial, she was nothing more than a slave to her mother according to the neighbours who testified in court.  I have yet to see any evidence which shows Leonor in anything but a bad light.  What the PJ detectives did to her was inexcusable but that doesn't change what she herself was like as a person.

But it doesn't make her a murderer either.

[Mrs. B]

But it doesn't make her a murderer either.

No, and if you have a quick look through the evidence presented, nothing else seems to either. There's very little in the way of actual, physical evidence but a lot of evidence geared towards her "character". That, in conjunction with proven torture, makes her conviction even more unsafe.

[faithlilly]

DC1


Also I would like to know how Amaral knew the method, step by step, of Joanas supposed dissection. 

No body and no witnesses.  No forensics either

So how did he know?




To remind peeps, supposed evidence, tortured out of people is NOT EVIDENCE.

When a tortured person can stand the pain no longer, he / she will say what he is told to say, to stop the pain.



The Official reports / documents that people keep promoting on here are a total  farce.

Joa participated in a videotaped reconstruction which was showed in court, much to the defence's chagrin.

[John]

Please confine your posts to the subject of Joana as per the header.  The trial for murder and the subsequent conviction is discussed on another thread.   This thread is solely concerned with Joana prior to her disappearance regardless of whether she was sold, abducted or murdered.

[John]

But it doesn't make her a murderer either.

I totally agree but not the subject of this thread.

[Carana]

I totally agree but not the subject of this thread.

John, perhaps this could be taken step by step?

Where is the evidence that she ever got home?

[John]

Also he really ought to know by now that all the incest garbage was thrown out by the appeal court.

Do you have anything to back that statement up in respect of what an appeal court did or didn't do DCI?

So let's see, the appeal failed so she must be innocent?  Is this some sort of Portuguese reverse logic?      8-)(--)

[Eleanor]

Some of the neighbours have said that Joana was not neglected.  Why were none of those produced in Court?

And I would love to find a bakery that produces hot cakes at two o'clock in the morning.  Around here where they really do bake on the premises, start work at 6 am.