Author Topic: Pamela Fenn, two questions:  (Read 28588 times)

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Offline Carana

Re: Pamela Fenn, two questions:
« Reply #15 on: May 18, 2013, 07:22:50 PM »
Who were the members of the "Residents' Association"? Independent owners within Block 5? Other owners within PdL?

Long-term tenants?

The thought that occurred to me is that the question might have been an attempt to tease out a reference to Mrs Fenn's friend Ms Glynn, as far as I'm aware, not referred to anywhere other than in Mrs Fenn's statement.

I realise that. But I'm still back to the basic questions. Why on earth did the PJ not check all of this out right at the beginning?

ferryman

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Re: Pamela Fenn, two questions:
« Reply #16 on: May 18, 2013, 10:51:16 PM »
Who were the members of the "Residents' Association"? Independent owners within Block 5? Other owners within PdL?

Long-term tenants?

The thought that occurred to me is that the question might have been an attempt to tease out a reference to Mrs Fenn's friend Ms Glynn, as far as I'm aware, not referred to anywhere other than in Mrs Fenn's statement.

I realise that. But I'm still back to the basic questions. Why on earth did the PJ not check all of this out right at the beginning?

The answer just might be circular.

What if "Ms Gynn" never existed? ...

Offline Carana

Re: Pamela Fenn, two questions:
« Reply #17 on: May 19, 2013, 06:52:45 PM »
Who were the members of the "Residents' Association"? Independent owners within Block 5? Other owners within PdL?

Long-term tenants?

The thought that occurred to me is that the question might have been an attempt to tease out a reference to Mrs Fenn's friend Ms Glynn, as far as I'm aware, not referred to anywhere other than in Mrs Fenn's statement.

I realise that. But I'm still back to the basic questions. Why on earth did the PJ not check all of this out right at the beginning?

The answer just might be circular.

What if "Ms Gynn" never existed? ...

What makes you think that, Ferryman?

That night she contacted a friend called EDNA GLYN, who also lives in Praia da Luz, after 23.00, telling her about the situation, who was not surprised at the childs crying.

Redblossom

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Re: Pamela Fenn, two questions:
« Reply #18 on: May 19, 2013, 06:59:37 PM »
Well apart from Mr Amaral  fabricating or corrupting  Mrs Fenns statement we now have Mrs Fenn or Mr Amaral inventing Mrs Glynn


Excellent sleuthing
 8)--))



Just waiting for Ferrymans theory that Mrs Fenn didnt exist



AnneGuedes

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Re: Pamela Fenn, two questions:
« Reply #19 on: May 19, 2013, 07:04:22 PM »
She lives very near by.
« Last Edit: May 20, 2013, 10:37:22 AM by Angelo222 »

registrar

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Re: Pamela Fenn, two questions:
« Reply #20 on: May 19, 2013, 07:05:55 PM »
That night she contacted a friend called EDNA GLYN, who also lives in Praia da Luz, after 23.00, telling her about the situation, who was not surprised at the child’s crying.


Had this been said, I would think it's highly relevant.

Did Mrs. Fenn and Mrs. Glyn have previous conversations - say about child care arrangements at 5a?

This does not strike me as a random comment. Luz was then the sleepiest place ever - no stag parties littering up the streets - no Thai massage parlours - no perceived danger - tranquil/bucolic even.

So why was Mrs. Glyn not surprised - assuming she was British like Mrs. Fenn - it wouldnt have been said in the spirit of 'yeah them Ruskies - I'm not surprised' - if you catch my drift.

If that was said it had some provenance. Any views on what that is?

Offline Carana

Re: Pamela Fenn, two questions:
« Reply #21 on: May 19, 2013, 07:08:05 PM »
Anne, I don't think it's fair to give out someone's phone number, particularly if it's an elderly lady (which may well be the case).

Why didn't the PJ interview her, though? Seems strange not to have corroborated the date and time.

AnneGuedes

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Re: Pamela Fenn, two questions:
« Reply #22 on: May 19, 2013, 07:15:57 PM »
I don't think it's fair to suggest the lady doesn't exist or should have been checked by the police as if some sort of plot existed between her and Mrs Fenn. Mrs Glyn might have been contacted to confirm the day and hour without this being in the file. Mrs Fenn, as a witness, didn't have to prove anything and Mrs Glyn tried her best to help her friend who, as many people would, felt terrible listening to that crying child.

ferryman

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Re: Pamela Fenn, two questions:
« Reply #23 on: May 19, 2013, 07:27:15 PM »
Who were the members of the "Residents' Association"? Independent owners within Block 5? Other owners within PdL?

Long-term tenants?

The thought that occurred to me is that the question might have been an attempt to tease out a reference to Mrs Fenn's friend Ms Glynn, as far as I'm aware, not referred to anywhere other than in Mrs Fenn's statement.

I realise that. But I'm still back to the basic questions. Why on earth did the PJ not check all of this out right at the beginning?

The answer just might be circular.

What if "Ms Gynn" never existed? ...

What makes you think that, Ferryman?

That night she contacted a friend called EDNA GLYN, who also lives in Praia da Luz, after 23.00, telling her about the situation, who was not surprised at the childs crying.


1.  There's no other trace of Ms Glyn

2. Mrs Fenn is on record as saying she didn't know the holiday apartment was occupied.  What else about her statement is untrue?

3 Mrs Fenn's statement was initially leaked as being about a crime of which she herself was victim.  Subsequent leaks suggested something to do with hearing a child crying.

4. Neither assertion should have been leaked.  Why should we believe either?

5. The crime of which Mrs Fenn was a victim gets a "sneaked" mention, right at the end of her, apparent, interview.

6. Mrs Fenn was interviewed only the once.

Redblossom

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Re: Pamela Fenn, two questions:
« Reply #24 on: May 19, 2013, 07:40:17 PM »
2. Mrs Fenn is on record as saying she didn't know the holiday apartment was occupied.


A lie being perpetuated, day after day after it has been demolished,   how sad is that, you cant get sadder basically

SAD


 8-)(--) 8-)(--)

« Last Edit: May 19, 2013, 07:41:53 PM by Redblossom »

Offline Angelo222

Re: Pamela Fenn, two questions:
« Reply #25 on: May 20, 2013, 09:29:41 AM »
Posting personal details on the forum can result in a ban ... Take note !!
De troothe has the annoying habit of coming to the surface just when you least expect it!!

Je ne regrette rien!!

AnneGuedes

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Re: Pamela Fenn, two questions:
« Reply #26 on: May 20, 2013, 10:24:36 AM »
Posting personal details on the forum can result in a ban ... Take note !!
What about suggesting people could be invented since they're mentioned by some witness in the files without having made a statement proving the witness wasn't lying ?

Offline Carana

Re: Pamela Fenn, two questions:
« Reply #27 on: May 20, 2013, 10:40:08 AM »
@ Anne

Apologies. It would have been better if I'd PM'd you.  8()-000(

AnneGuedes

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Re: Pamela Fenn, two questions:
« Reply #28 on: May 20, 2013, 10:44:21 AM »
@ Anne

Apologies. It would have been better if I'd PM'd you.  8()-000(
No problem, Carana. It just crossed suddenly my mind to check whether Mrs Glyn was easy to contact or not. And she was ! But of course I changed a digit and then erased in case by chance the modified number would belong to someone !

Offline Angelo222

Re: Pamela Fenn, two questions:
« Reply #29 on: May 20, 2013, 10:51:00 AM »
Could I suggest that admin contacts Mrd Glynn rather than several people pester her.  Assuming the Mrs Glynn whom Anne found in the public phone book is the same Mrs Glynn whom Mrs Fenn referred to, what questions would you want to ask her??   >@@(*&)
De troothe has the annoying habit of coming to the surface just when you least expect it!!

Je ne regrette rien!!