Has the apprehension of an abductor taken priority over the need to find Maddie?

[John]

Has the apprehension of an abductor taken priority over the need to find Madeleine?  Are current efforts by various agencies in Madeleine's best interest or are investigators only fixated with an arrest?

[sadie]

Has the apprehension of an abductor taken priority over the need to find Madeleine?  Are current efforts by various agencies in Madeleine's best interest or are investigators only fixated with an arrest?

Make an arrest and they are likely to find Madeleine imo ... and what happened to six other children; now mainly grown up.

[AnneGuedes]

Has the apprehension of an abductor taken priority over the need to find Madeleine?  Are current efforts by various agencies in Madeleine's best interest or are investigators only fixated with an arrest?

Imo our societies' best interest is to know what happened to Madeleine and spending money is justified if appropriately spent.
Imo most people think nothing can be done for Madeleine. The abductor didn't strike again.

[Redblossom]

Has the apprehension of an abductor taken priority over the need to find Madeleine?  Are current efforts by various agencies in Madeleine's best interest or are investigators only fixated with an arrest?

Make an arrest and they are likely to find Madeleine imo ... and what happened to six other children; now mainly grown up.

What six other children?

John, where do you suggest anyone starts looking after all this time? There have been appeals year on year for info, from the Mccanns and the police, two police forces on the case for a year plus, biggest manhunt and money and hours spent by the Pj ever, three quarters of a million pounds for the Leicester police, millions put up as reward money, thousands and thousands  spent on PIs campaigns, unprecedented media worldwide coverage, hundreds of false sightings, multiple documentaries made, a worldwide selling book by kate mccann,,a multi million pound review, and yielded zilch to date, what does that tell you? No one knows anything or if someone does they are never going to say, thats IF she was abducted, there really isnt any more that can be done that hasnt been already

Unless she is living in the river styx and is spotted somehow by a passer by nothing  is going to change, then of course the possibility she is dead and nothing to do with any stranger

[Joanne]

I agree Redblossom and the other thing that crossed my mind was that the Mccanns had a fund and employed 'investigators' and a visible campaign asking for information, so the Portuguese have done an investigation and now Scotland Yard have spend a ton of money and however long investigating and still no Madeleine or arrest. I think the initial investigation was probably the closest we're going to get and I think the amount of money 9when you add it all up-the fund money and what SY have spent) is just disgusting, especially the tax payers part. There are families who would have benefitted better had it been spent their way ie the Lee Family or the Gosdens.

[Redblossom]

I agree Redblossom and the other thing that crossed my mind was that the Mccanns had a fund and employed 'investigators' and a visible campaign asking for information, so the Portuguese have done an investigation and now Scotland Yard have spend a ton of money and however long investigating and still no Madeleine or arrest. I think the initial investigation was probably the closest we're going to get and I think the amount of money 9when you add it all up-the fund money and what SY have spent) is just disgusting, especially the tax payers part. There are families who would have benefitted better had it been spent their way ie the Lee Family or the Gosdens.

Yes bordering on about 10 million at least and no result, unprecedented, a childs  life is priceless, but how much of the mccann fund was actually spent on searching as opposed to paying lawyers, pr merchants, etc none of whom couodbe instrumental

[sadie]

Has the apprehension of an abductor taken priority over the need to find Madeleine?  Are current efforts by various agencies in Madeleine's best interest or are investigators only fixated with an arrest?

Make an arrest and they are likely to find Madeleine imo ... and what happened to six other children; now mainly grown up.

What six other children?

John, where do you suggest anyone starts looking after all this time? There have been appeals year on year for info, from the Mccanns and the police, two police forces on the case for a year plus, biggest manhunt and money and hours spent by the Pj ever, three quarters of a million pounds for the Leicester police, millions put up as reward money, thousands and thousands  spent on PIs campaigns, unprecedented media worldwide coverage, hundreds of false sightings, multiple documentaries made, a worldwide selling book by kate mccann,,a multi million pound review, and yielded zilch to date, what does that tell you? No one knows anything or if someone does they are never going to say, thats IF she was abducted, there really isnt any more that can be done that hasnt been already

Unless she is living in the river styx and is spotted somehow by a passer by nothing  is going to change, then of course the possibility she is dead and nothing to do with any stranger

There have been a string of children stranger abducted in PT, Red.  Pre pubescent (under 15) missing children whose bodies have not been found.  Where there appears to be no parent or friend involved .

i have mentioned it befiore at least once.  you must have missed it.

[Redblossom]

Has the apprehension of an abductor taken priority over the need to find Madeleine?  Are current efforts by various agencies in Madeleine's best interest or are investigators only fixated with an arrest?

Make an arrest and they are likely to find Madeleine imo ... and what happened to six other children; now mainly grown up.

What six other children?

John, where do you suggest anyone starts looking after all this time? There have been appeals year on year for info, from the Mccanns and the police, two police forces on the case for a year plus, biggest manhunt and money and hours spent by the Pj ever, three quarters of a million pounds for the Leicester police, millions put up as reward money, thousands and thousands  spent on PIs campaigns, unprecedented media worldwide coverage, hundreds of false sightings, multiple documentaries made, a worldwide selling book by kate mccann,,a multi million pound review, and yielded zilch to date, what does that tell you? No one knows anything or if someone does they are never going to say, thats IF she was abducted, there really isnt any more that can be done that hasnt been already

Unless she is living in the river styx and is spotted somehow by a passer by nothing  is going to change, then of course the possibility she is dead and nothing to do with any stranger

There have been a string of children stranger abducted in PT, Red.  Pre pubescent (under 15) missing children whose bodies have not been found.  Where there appears to be no parent or friend involved .

i have mentioned it befiore at least once.  you must have missed it.

Sorry, missed it, but isnt it assuming one person was responsible  for all of them and also for Maddies  disappearance? I will read a link on it if you have it. Were all of them cases of children taken from home? Maddie was also just 3, I think people snatching teenagers had a different MO

[gilet]

@Redblossom

The logical place to start looking is in those pesky files.

Thats why SY are looking there.

And guess what they are finding lots of gaps where the PJ under Amaral and Rebelo failed to tie up loose ends, where they failed to get round to interviewing people etc.

Thats an excellent place to start.

[sadie]

Sorry, missed it, but isnt it assuming one person was responsible  for all of them and also for Maddies  disappearance? I will read a link on it if you have it. Were all of them cases of children taken from home? Maddie was also just 3, I think people snatching teenagers had a different MO

[All measurements from GE and as crow flies unless stated otherwise]

A string of them Red.  In the 1990's.   Starting in Porto (Masserelos), with Jorge Sepulveda in 1991 ... then another  four of them in an area of only 32 miles across, all spaced out.  No others in the whole of PT except for Rene Hasse in the Atlantic Algarve ..., just 17 miles away from PdL.  Rene went missing in 1996

After Jorge, then roughly every 18 months - 2 years.  Until Rui Perreira in 1999.  Then the son of an elite was picked up, questioned and IIRC charged (all whooshed now).  He was released with a warning according to this report which was on a forum.

There was a 5 year break on mainland PT after the warning, but it started again with Joana Cipriano then Carolina Santos than Madeleine in the Figueira/Silves/PdL area .  All four including Rene Hasse (1996) were in an area no greater than about 25 miles across ... and with the exception of Rene they were in a period of less than 3 years after the start up again 

No other abductions in the specified group in the whole of PT.  So 300 miles between Porto and PdL and just these two tight groups of abductions, which are linked by Rene Hasse.



To a thinker, such as you, that should make alarm bells ring .. and make you wonder

[registrar]

Lest we forget:

http://minnea.blogspot.co.uk/2008/12/portugal-dangerous-place-for-children.html

[registrar]

Lest we forget:

http://minnea.blogspot.co.uk/2008/12/portugal-dangerous-place-for-children.html

I had not heard about some of those cases before.

Interesting that many of those children have distinguishing marks listed in their descriptions, and yet when the McCanns revealed Madeleine's eye defect this was considered by the "sceptics" as handing her a death sentence.  As always one rule for the McCanns, one for everyone else.

To my shame I know little about these children - Rene Hasee's case stands out as his disappearance was
most 'Jonathan Creek' - hope that's not too flippant.

But there are two big differences between these children and their families and the McCann case

a) 'Team McCann' - a term NOT coined by the media but by K&G and their support team
(thus making the search for the girl a corporate affair rather than a private one)

b) The 'fund' amassing millions of pounds in a short time - little of which was actually spent on searching activities - the vast majority was spent on legal eagles and PR issues

Therein (to my mind) the differences lie

Kate & Gerry brought mammon into the equation and squandered it on vanity projects - rather than on actual searching - that shall, apart from the sad fact of Madeleine disappearing, always haunt them. 

And when the funds started to dry up K&G managed to rope in the UK taxpayers to cough up - in a blooming recession.

Cheers!


 

[John]

Sorry, missed it, but isnt it assuming one person was responsible  for all of them and also for Maddies  disappearance? I will read a link on it if you have it. Were all of them cases of children taken from home? Maddie was also just 3, I think people snatching teenagers had a different MO

[All measurements from GE and as crow flies unless stated otherwise]

A string of them Red.  In the 1990's.   Starting in Porto (Masserelos), with Jorge Sepulveda in 1991 ... then another  four of them in an area of only 32 miles across, all spaced out.  No others in the whole of PT except for Rene Hasse in the Atlantic Algarve ..., just 17 miles away from PdL.  Rene went missing in 1996

After Jorge, then roughly every 18 months - 2 years.  Until Rui Perreira in 1999.  Then the son of an elite was picked up, questioned and IIRC charged (all whooshed now).  He was released with a warning according to this report which was on a forum.

There was a 5 year break on mainland PT after the warning, but it started again with Joana Cipriano then Carolina Santos than Madeleine in the Figueira/Silves/PdL area .  All four including Rene Hasse (1996) were in an area no greater than about 25 miles across ... and with the exception of Rene they were in a period of less than 3 years after the start up again 

No other abductions in the specified group in the whole of PT.  So 300 miles between Porto and PdL and just these two tight groups of abductions, which are linked by Rene Hasse.



To a thinker, such as you, that should make alarm bells ring .. and make you wonder

Sadie, do you happen to have a map showing the distibution of the missing children?

[ferryman]

Lest we forget:

http://minnea.blogspot.co.uk/2008/12/portugal-dangerous-place-for-children.html

I confess, I don't find the heading to the blog particularly helpful.

A missing child (anywhere in the world!) is a trauma and potential tragedy.

But I think we need to keep a proper perspective.  Per head of its native population, I don't suppose Portugal has any more paedophiles than Britain, or France, or Spain or any other country in Europe.

And I think, what's meant by such emotive headlines as Portugal, a haven for paedophiles (and the like) is, not that children are in greater peril in Portugal than most other places, simply that monitoring of paedophiles is not as rigorous in Portugal as, perhaps, other places.

There's maybe an element of national pride that comes into it as well -- to which we can all be subject.

I freely confess, it took me much longer than it should have to accept that British police shot dead an innocent Brazilian man, Jean Paul de Menezes, on a tube train at Stockwell Station.

But the fact is, they did ...

[registrar]

What nonsense.  Why would "mammon" haunt the McCanns?

If you read back - the waste of Mammon - on stupid legal cases and PR farangoes