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ferryman

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It's not hard to see how such qualities, against the backdrop of something as sinister as a missing and abducted little girl, might be misconstrued and misrepresented.

I know the Matthew piece is around on line.  I'll see if I can find the profile.
Try to find it, please Ferryman, this is how I always understood Robert M was. Not at all the guy who "panicks and denies etc.", to say nothing of Fiona and Co really absent-minded (but with severe consequences ; they were very lucky Robert M didn't sue them for confirming he was the one) statements.

Unfortunately I can't find it, other than on the Times site, to which you need to be a subscriber to access articles.

The profile was based on the experience of someone who worked with Murat when he was a car salesman in Norfolk, UK.

It was really quite revealing.  I'm tempted to subscribe, just to pull out that article.

But I can certainly find the Matthew Parris piece.

Benice:

Community-spirited?

Bingo!

(For me, at least).

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The Times

From The Times August 25, 2007
MuratMatthew Parris

The forgotten victim in the McCann case

Our columnist on the disgraceful hounding of Robert

Do you have a mother? Have you ever shared a house with her? Might you have dealt with anyone a couple of years past his teens who (for all you know) could have boasted to someone else about seducing an underage girl? Might you be separated from a spouse and conduct another affair? Might you love your daughter? Might you have a cellar in your house? Might you assist local efforts to trace a missing child?

Well watch out, because if any toddler should go missing anywhere near you, and you were to be (not unreasonably) questioned by police, the British press could have had you hanged, drawn and quartered by Monday.

A life has been destroyed after the abduction of Madeleine McCann. Perhaps two, for we do not yet know Madeleine’s fate, and perhaps we never will. But for Robert Murat, the one-time suspect whom much of the British newspaper industry and parts of the Portuguese media casually decided to convict, a life lies in ruins. There is no redemption for Mr Murat now, not if the Angel Gabriel should appear on television to exonerate him. The name alone brings a shudder.

But nobody closely involved with this case believes any longer that Mr Murat is anything but an innocent man. For the rest of the world, however, glancing in passing at headlines and skimming news reports over its coffee, the name Murat is now synonymous with “creepy oddball and obvious suspect”.

His reputation will not now be rescued even by the arrest and conviction of anyone else. Imagine today giving your name at a hotel reception as Robert Murat — or Colin Stagg, or Sally Clark. Linkages between a crime and a name are set up in the public imagination and persist even after the story has changed direction. “Robert Murat — wasn’t he the one suspected of taking Maddie? Or cleared of it? Whatever. Mixed up in it anyway.”

For the record, Robert Murat is an Anglo-Portuguese man in his early thirties who has separated from his English wife, has a girlfriend estranged from her own husband, and is sharing a house with his mother, not far from where Madeleine McCann disappeared. After her disappearance he volunteered to help. He hired a car for a few days. His house has a cellar. He has a friendly business connection with a 22-year-old

Russian IT operative, Sergey Malinka, who was (it was reported) claimed by a workmate once to have boasted about underage sex. Mr Murat and Mr Malinka have spoken to each other on mobile phones. And Mr Murat has a four-year-old daughter who (somebody says) looks like Madeleine. Oh — and he’s blind in one eye.

Allegations have swirled around about computers on which pornographic websites have been accessed; but as a large proportion of computers worldwide would answer to that description and the claims have been neither confirmed nor elucidated, I shall not pursue these.

Now watch the British media at work. Exercising a courtesy not extended to Mr Murat, I shall name neither papers nor reporters. Let the headlines (in italics) and reports that follow provide a handy journalists’ guide to assassination-by-innuendo.

“ MADDIE SUSPECT BEHAVED JUST LIKE HUNTLEY: Kidnapping has weird echoes of Soham case. The prime suspect in the kidnap of Madeleine McCann interfered in the investigation as soon as the search for her began, it emerged yesterday. Briton Robert Murat, 33, even tried to comfort Madeleine’s distraught parents, Kate and Gerry, in the hours after she was snatched . . . One holidaymaker said: ‘There was a feeling that his behaviour was similar to that displayed by Huntley.’ Murat was said to have volunteered to act as a translator . . .”

“ Maddie: Russian ‘pervert’ quizzed by cops. A Russian computer ace linked to suspect Robert Murat was being quizzed last night . . . Sergey Malinka, 22 . . . who helped Murat, 33, set up a website – was picked up in a police swoop . . .

“ HUNT FOR MADDIE: POLICE IN NEW VILLA SWOOP COMPUTER RAID. . . Malinka, 22, said he . . . worked on a computer owned by the one-eyed Briton . . . Meanwhile it emerged there is an underfloor chamber at [Murat’s] home, 100 yards from where Maddie, four, was snatched as she slept in a holiday apartment in Praia da Luz a fortnight ago . . .”

“ Revealed: The cellar in suspect’s villa. . .‘There is a hole in the floor that we used as access when we were putting all the pipes in, so it’s big enough for a man to get down inside.’” “ His girl is the spitting image of Madeleine. Robert Murat has been pining for his four-year-old daughter Sofia, a ‘spitting image’ of missing Madeleine, friends revealed yesterday . . .”

“ Sex secret of Madeleine suspect: Briton ‘shared’ the wife of pool cleaner at villa. While friends and relatives portrayed suspect Robert Murat as a devoted family man, a darker picture emerged of an irritating oddball who loves to be the centre of attention. A one-eyed estate agent, former car salesman and turkey farm worker . . . it also emerged that Murat was caught up in a bizarre love triangle . . .”

“ One minute the Murats were happy with their new life in Portugal, the next their marriage was in tatters . . . his wife never said why it ended FAMILY FRIEND: Friends of Robert Murat’s ex-wife told last night how she suddenly walked out on him — but she would not say why.”

“ A PHONEY ALIBI? 11.40pm call on the night she went missing. Murat told police he was at home in bed” . . . Detectives are said to be concerned that though Murat and Malinka claim to be only business acquaintances they were captured on CCTV speaking animatedly . . . Murat also rented a hire car for three days after the abduction, possibly after he realised he was under police surveillance.”

“ The police haven’t told the family what is on Murat’s computer. They want to shield them. . .” . . . And so it went on for about a week: a week in which Mr Murat saw his good name torn apart. The damage done, a cautionary note then crept in . . .

“Despite the discoveries, nothing was found to connect Briton Murat to Madeleine . . .”

And, months later, nothing has been. There is speculation that the Portuguese police will formally exonerate Mr Murat soon. I don’t even know he is innocent. But I do know that, though “innocent until proved guilty” is a counsel of perfection, and though it is sometimes impossible to write useful reports without fingering guilty and innocent alike, there are still limits — cloudy though they must necessarily be. Reporting in this case has smashed right through them.

The whole disgusting business, the whole media-driven infatuation with this little girl and her parents, the whole sick, morbid, sentimental campaign of news generation and news manipulation, has been a disgrace to the British media.

AnneGuedes

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Robert M was a victim of his arguido status which couldn't be removed, though he had been exonerated (mainly by the dogs), before the end of the investigation, the end of which was postponed in order to make a reconstruction.

debunker

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Robert M was a victim of his arguido status which couldn't be removed, though he had been exonerated (mainly by the dogs), before the end of the investigation, the end of which was postponed in order to make a reconstruction.

Not nearly the truth.

Not in any way 'exonerated' by the dogs.

Cannot arguido status be removed anyway.

Where is your evidence that the closing of the investigation was dependent only on a reconstruction- IIRC the longest delay was caused by the failure to file rogatory papers properly.

But any excuse to blame the McCanns or tapas!

registrar

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Sounds as tho he is like his mum then.  She tried to help and it was misconstrued.

How would the confession box on the beach have helped in the search of a missing girl?

Distracted, hindered posssibly - but helped - in what way - Jenny was a nurse not a criminologist.

registrar

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This has been largely forgotten too:

Sunday Mirror
 
The Search for Madeleine Day 25 :

By Grant Hodgson, Nick Owens and Tom Hendry 27/05/2007

quote:

In June 2005 they went to live with Murat and his mother Jenny at her villa, Casa Liliana. But cracks began to appear when Murat started working long hours, desperate to be a success as an estate agent.
 
"Our home life began to suffer," she recalls. "He was spending less and less time with Sofia and we fought about it. Our rows got worse and worse, but Rob was never violent. He never hit me or Sofia."
 
In September 2005 homesick Dawn flew back to the UK with Sofia for a few days. Then came that phone call from Murat.
 
Although Murat regularly returns to Britain to see Sofia - and last year brought Michaela with him - neither Dawn nor Sofia have been back to Portugal since.
 
Dawn reveals how after she began divorce proceedings she gave Sofia's passport and birth certificate to a family member for safekeeping.
 
She says: "I was being cautious. You hear about mothers in similar situations to mine who lose their child to a partner who's abroad.
 
"Of course it crossed my mind that it might happen to me but I never seriously thought Rob would take Sofia."
 
Given the heartbreak she has suffered, Dawn is very charitable about Murat, and believes he is not guilty of Madeleine's abduction.

registrar

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NB to the above

The Schengen treaty stipulates that any country signing up to it allows it's citizens to travel within
the Schengen territory without passport controls.

The UK is not signatory to this treaty.

In other words if a person travels from say France to the UK or vice versa - they need to show their passport.

If however a person travels from Portugal to Spain (two signatory countries) they do not have to show their passport.

registrar

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NB to the above

Had Madeleine been taken but her passport had been left behind (according to Team McCann nothing of value was taken from 5a) then it's more likely than not that Madeleine would still be within the Schengen territory - rather than say the US, Australia, Egypt - or indeed Britain.

Just musings on my part 
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registrar

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AnneGuedes

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NB to the above

The Schengen treaty stipulates that any country signing up to it allows it's citizens to travel within
the Schengen territory without passport controls.

The UK is not signatory to this treaty.

In other words if a person travels from say France to the UK or vice versa - they need to show their passport.

If however a person travels from Portugal to Spain (two signatory countries) they do not have to show their passport.
Not necessarily a passport (I never, even before Schengen, had to show a passport from France to the UK), but an identity card.

ferryman

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NB to the above

The Schengen treaty stipulates that any country signing up to it allows it's citizens to travel within
the Schengen territory without passport controls.

The UK is not signatory to this treaty.

In other words if a person travels from say France to the UK or vice versa - they need to show their passport.

If however a person travels from Portugal to Spain (two signatory countries) they do not have to show their passport.

But the Schengen treaty also allows each participant nation to impose temporary border controls of its own volition in response to temporary emergencies

AnneGuedes

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Yes. But not if a child disappeared and could have been seen carried by a walker.

ferryman

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Yes. But not if a child disappeared and could have been seen carried by a walker.
Eh?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-13194723

In what circumstances can countries reimpose border controls?
Under article 2.2 of the treaty, signatories may reinstate border controls for a short period, if this is necessary for "public policy or national security" reasons.

The clause says "contracting parties [Schengen states] may, after consulting the other contracting parties, decide that for a limited period national border checks appropriate to the situation shall be carried out at internal borders".

They can do so if necessary immediately, and then inform the other Schengen members.

France did this around the 60th anniversary of D-Day in June 2004 and after the bomb attacks on London in 2005.

registrar

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NB to the above

The Schengen treaty stipulates that any country signing up to it allows it's citizens to travel within
the Schengen territory without passport controls.

The UK is not signatory to this treaty.

In other words if a person travels from say France to the UK or vice versa - they need to show their passport.

If however a person travels from Portugal to Spain (two signatory countries) they do not have to show their passport.

But the Schengen treaty also allows each participant nation to impose temporary border controls of its own volition in response to temporary emergencies

true - but let's put you in the driving seat ferryman

You are head of the GNR the night of the disappearance

The call comes through - little girl in Luz went missing

Would you man all crossing points into Spain and impose 'emergency' passport controls

Thus severly impeding traffic and commerce?

No, I don't think you would

Given the probability that the child could be found at any moment playing under a table near the Ocean Club

Reality - not flights of fancy please
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ferryman

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NB to the above

The Schengen treaty stipulates that any country signing up to it allows it's citizens to travel within
the Schengen territory without passport controls.

The UK is not signatory to this treaty.

In other words if a person travels from say France to the UK or vice versa - they need to show their passport.

If however a person travels from Portugal to Spain (two signatory countries) they do not have to show their passport.

But the Schengen treaty also allows each participant nation to impose temporary border controls of its own volition in response to temporary emergencies

true - but let's put you in the driving seat ferryman

You are head of the GNR the night of the disappearance

The call comes through - little girl in Luz went missing

Would you man all crossing points into Spain and imposed 'emergency' passport controls

Thus severly impeding traffic and commerce?

No, I don't think you would

Given the probability that the child could be found at any moment playing under a table near the Ocean Club

Reality - not flights of fancy please

I suspect a decision would need to be taken at a more senior level than GNR.  And clearly a judgment would have to be made about when was the right time to impose border control.

But given there is always the option of lifting it immediately upon a resolution of the crisis (finding Madeleine, alive or dead), I would think a swift decision could be reached, and no blame attached in the event of a positive outcome ...