Why did THE TAPAS 7 ALL lock their back doors but the Mccanns left theirs open

[Carana]

[Carana]

4) It was by far the most convenient route for the Mccanns.  Their walk to the front door was further than ony of the others.

It was quite a bit further Anne.  Measures about 10 or 11 metres on GE.  It was the width of two appartments further and it weas sooo dark by that deeply recessed front door.  Gave me the creeps.

Where have you seen the light wasn't working ? OC has employees to fix this rapidly. The corridor's lights were always on (at night).

Anne, I dont know now, but it was common knowledge and not a myth, I think.  I hope others will remember too, or better still find it in the files.  I am too tired these days to go wading thru files.

When I was there, much of the East front of block 5 was in darkness.  Very dreary and positively uninviting to walk to the front door of 5A

I think the light was properly broken, hanging down rather than just a bulb needing replacing.


ETA.

Anne I have done a quick search and I cant find anything about the light being broken.  Therefore unless anyone else can come up with the relevant info, pls disregard it

June Hughes:


The apartment was also vulnerable for the fact that the entryway light (side of the street) was hanging and did not function. This made the entryway very dark. It was off from the street with a small parking zone between the street and the apartment.

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/JUNE-HUGHES.htm

[AnneGuedes]

Carana,
I think Sadie was meaning the lamp on the wall at the right of the door.

[AnneGuedes]

June Hughes:


The apartment was also vulnerable for the fact that the entryway light (side of the street) was hanging and did not function. This made the entryway very dark. It was off from the street with a small parking zone between the street and the apartment.

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/JUNE-HUGHES.htm

Entry of the private parking then ?
What I'm sure of is that the trees (especially those) make impressive shadows.

[sadie]

Thank you Carana, very kind of you ...but yes as Anne says, I was meaning the light immediately by the front door to 5A.


I especially like the photo of the new street lamps against the photo of the old street lamps.  The one taken after dark.  The balconies shown are the balconies to block 6 immediately across the road to the steps up to 5A.  The place where I have thought that the watcher might have watched from.

These pictures graphically show the shadows at the back of the balcony.  The shadows that i alluded to in my theory



Wonderful illustration of what I was trying to explain.  Thanks.


We are looking at block 6, which is immediately opposite, across the road to the side of 5A.    The place where I thought that the watcher might have been

The balconies are in the middle of the large photograph, just to the left of the RH lamppost   [We are viewing from North to South]

As demonstrated by the comparisons of light emitted, the lamps in the after dark photo are considerably brighter than those at the time of Madeleines abduction, so the balconies would have been much less lit then than in this photo 

[muratfan]

Without reading RedBlossom's endless crap...

Is there anywhere where other people have said that they have locked their doors??

Also, as McCanns were there for the first time, maybe others knew what the area was always targeted by criminals and such.

[DCI]

Without reading RedBlossom's endless crap...

Is there anywhere where other people have said that they have locked their doors??

Also, as McCanns were there for the first time, maybe others knew what the area was always targeted by criminals and such.

Not that I've seen, MF.

So the door being unlocked, gives someone the right to walk in and abduct a child?

[Redblossom]

Without reading RedBlossom's endless crap...

Is there anywhere where other people have said that they have locked their doors??

Also, as McCanns were there for the first time, maybe others knew what the area was always targeted by criminals and such.

Not that I've seen, MF.

So I take it you have NOT read the Tapas 7 statements then where they state they all locked their back doors at night? That is what this thread was so obviously about, and NOT the general population

[muratfan]

You said EVERYBODY but the McCanns.... care to change that

[Redblossom]

You said EVERYBODY but the McCanns.... care to change that

No

All the others is *obviously* the others in their group, not the population of PDL, the others,who we *know* locked them, if it were not obvious someone, until you appeared go make a silly criticism, would have bought it up, unless you didnt understand of course, if so my humblest apologies, you not happy with the thread title, ask admin to change it

ETA Bless your little cotton socks, changed just for you
 

[sadie]

Red, you keep on about why did the Mccanns keep their one door unlocked when apparantly the others locked theirs

I gave several good reason s way back in post number 33

sadie

Red, imo

1) the alleyway was dark and rather creepy to go along at night, especially for women checking

2)  The back of the flats was a dark quiet place to leave a door unlocked and as you correctly say the patio door had no locking  from the outside..  It would have ben vulnerable to burglars.

3) the Mccanns didn't have to go along any dark alleyways, and the rear entrance was well lit by the street lamp on the pavement opposite.  Their rear entrance was basically on the street.  Burglars would have to be crazy to consider going in that way when it was so well lit and overlooked by peeps in  the tapas area.

4) It was by far the most convenient route for the Mccanns.  Their walk to the front door was further than ony of the others.

5)  For the Mccanns the front door wasn't a "nice" route, especially for womeen.  The doorway was deeply recessed, out of sight and it was in pitch blackness.  I feel sure it was reported that the porch light was broken.  Pls correct me if i am wrong

6)  I have a feeling that Matt used the back patio door to his apartment the once, but I haven't checked the rogs so pls correct me if I am wrong.  Certainly on the Mccann reconstruction he appears from the direction of the alleyway.

Hope this sorts it out for you.  there are probably other reasons that i haven't yet picked up upon.

Why are you ignoring them?

[icabodcrane]

In answer to the original thread question, Gerry gives an explanation in the their documentary  (  which John hasposted on another thread )

He is speaking to Matthew Oldfield   ( fast forward to 13.50 )  and says :

"Part the reason we ended up coming through the back was the noise coming through the front door.  We didn't want to disturb them"

What is odd about that statement is that Gerry says they  'ended up'  coming through the back  ( via patio doors ) implying that they had, at first, been using the front door

Yet Russell O'Brien,  in his statement,  says that he checked on the McCann children on Sunday night  (  the very first time they had gone to eat at the tapas bar )  ...  and that he had entered using the unlocked patio doors.  He even noted that they  ( the McCanns )  had been doing things differently to everyone else  "right from the word go"

[Benice]

In answer to the original thread question, Gerry gives an explanation in the their documentary  (  which John hasposted on another thread )

He is speaking to Matthew Oldfield   ( fast forward to 13.50 )  and says :

"Part the reason we ended up coming through the back was the noise coming through the front door.  We didn't want to disturb them"

What is odd about that statement is that Gerry says they  'ended up'  coming through the back  ( via patio doors ) implying that they had, at first, been using the front door

Yet Russell O'Brien,  in his statement,  says that he checked on the McCann children on Sunday night  (  the very first time they had gone to eat at the tapas bar )  ...  and that he had entered using the unlocked patio doors.  He even noted that they  ( the McCanns )  had been doing things differently to everyone else  "right from the word go"

Maybe after using the front door several times -  to come and go during Saturday and Sunday  - and noticing the noise it made they decided that was another reason to use the back door- and so ended up doing just that.

I don't see anything odd in what GM said, but then I personally dont put every single word he uttered under a microscope or think that every single word the McCanns ever spoke should be taken literally at all times.   People often don't use the 100% correct word or phrase when talking about something - so I wouldn't expect the McCanns to be any different.       
   

           









   

 

[AnneGuedes]

Nothing odd here and no noise.
As he understood, only Gerald and Kate used the system of entering through the sliding doors, as this was easier. Russel OB (2nd statement)
The kids were left on their own from Sunday on (on Saturday, parents and kids had dinner at the Millenium).

[icabodcrane]

In answer to the original thread question, Gerry gives an explanation in the their documentary  (  which John hasposted on another thread )

He is speaking to Matthew Oldfield   ( fast forward to 13.50 )  and says :

"Part the reason we ended up coming through the back was the noise coming through the front door.  We didn't want to disturb them"

What is odd about that statement is that Gerry says they  'ended up'  coming through the back  ( via patio doors ) implying that they had, at first, been using the front door

Yet Russell O'Brien,  in his statement,  says that he checked on the McCann children on Sunday night  (  the very first time they had gone to eat at the tapas bar )  ...  and that he had entered using the unlocked patio doors.  He even noted that they  ( the McCanns )  had been doing things differently to everyone else  "right from the word go"

Maybe after using the front door several times -  to come and go during Saturday and Sunday  - and noticing the noise it made they decided that was another reason to use the back door- and so ended up doing just that.

I don't see anything odd in what GM said, but then I personally dont put every single word he uttered under a microscope or think that every single word the McCanns ever spoke should be taken literally at all times.   People often don't use the 100% correct word or phrase when talking about something - so I wouldn't expect the McCanns to be any different.       
   

           









   

 

Fiona Payne says that the Mccanns had been using the front door at first but changed to using the unlocked patio doors at some stage.  She can't remember when, but thinks it was about 'half way through'   (  she remembers having a conversation about it  )