The truth about the failed marking of cuddle cat by cadaver dog Eddie

[stephen25000]

No I can't and I have never made that claim.   

Now  - just as pertinently  - can you say with absolute certainty there must have been a body in the apartment?

No I can't.

Which reflects everything in this case.

No proof of anything.

Except of course Madeleine 'disappeared'.

[Redblossom]

Basically useless then...a total waste of the Portuguese taxpayers money.

Would police use them if they were that? I bet the police spent far more time and money chasing up bogus sightings worldwide.....and 7k is a drop in the ocean to what was spent overall....

Regarding Grime's summary, what else could he say, he is just relaying how it is.

[Angelo222]

Does anyone really believe that the deployment of Eddie and Keela was done impartially?

[Carana]

Mick Swindells, a retired police handler who works as a freelance trainer and handler in Blackpool:

Swindells says: "The best thing about using a dog to detect cadavers, as opposed to machines, is that dogs have the ability to think. But that's also the worst thing about using dogs." This means that cadaver dogs appear to have sufficient intelligence to recognise a corpse across a range of environmental conditions. However, they can also be distracted, for example by methane produced naturally in a peat bog (corpses also produce methane).

One indisputable advantage dogs have over machines is that they can quickly narrow down a search when a large area has to be covered. Adee Schoon of Leiden University, a scientific adviser to the canine department of the Netherlands National Police Agency, sums up the attitude of many who work with human cadaver dogs: "We use dogs as intelligent samplers, to tell us where to look further."

So, although death dogs may not always get it right, their discoveries can make the difference between solving a crime and leaving dark secrets buried for ever.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/the-csi-death-dogs-sniffing-out-the-truth-behind-the-crimescene-canines-835047.html

[pegasus]

Look up the clothing diligence by Eddie later the same day - what box did the 3 alerted items come from?
Clue: not from any of the bedrooms boxes.
Now go back to the toy footage discussed here, where you can see lots of clothing before it is boxed, and ask:
Where are those 3 items here?
What is undernose immediately before bark?
Voila! The importance of this result IMO is that the toy was not alerted to. Never.
This is a major advance in confirming that KM's description of the discovered scene on 3 May is accurate and honest IMO.

[AnneGuedes]

I agree davel.     Anyone who claims a dead body must have been in 5A at some time is disputing what Grime has told us about why a scent may be present.           

No smoke without fire. It there was death scent (listen to Mr Grime saying Eddie picked up the scent when the door was open), there must have been a human body there at least for one hour or two, not provable it was Madeleine's though. Or do you think it was the body of a pig ?

[AnneGuedes]

Does anyone really believe that the deployment of Eddie and Keela was done impartially?

I do, absolutely, and I'm sure that being a handler requires intelligence, sensitivity and a lot of practice. You don't get it just watching a video.
And I think that the first step, if one wants to understand what the dogs do, is to study the basis of the physiology of olfaction.

I believe the UK institutions, Angelo, are rigorous. Reading his reports convinced me that Prof Harrison who supervised all the dogs operations is a very qualified and honest person.

[AnneGuedes]

Would police use them if they were that? I bet the police spent far more time and money chasing up bogus sightings worldwide.....and 7k is a drop in the ocean to what was spent overall....

Regarding Grime's summary, what else could he say, he is just relaying how it is.

Certainly and I'm sure most Portuguese taxpayers aren't sorry about the expenses with the dogs because at least they've learnt something.
I'm also sure that most of them are sorry for the time spent in vain of police officers running after sightings produced by the McCann campaigns, without getting nothing but the contempt (by proxy) of the McCanns and the insults of media that nobody thought of criticizing for this.

[AnneGuedes]

For Angelo

Police found Lane's car running several blocks away from the alleged carjacking site, but the toddler was missing.(Lane is the father, Bianca his missing daughter). Prosecutors say the child is presumed dead.
Dog handler and FBI contractor Martin Grime testified during Lane's trial Wednesday that he and his two English springer spaniels -- Morse and Keela -- flew from England to Washington, D.C., then drove to Detroit on Dec. 4 to search for Bianca.
Local investigators took Grime and Morse, who is trained to detect decomposing human remains, to an enclosed garage at the Detroit Police Department's impound lot. Inside, he released Morse, leading him through a maze of 31 parked cars, including Lane's silver Mercury.
"He went underneath Mr. Lane's car then came out and barked ... " Grime said, adding that he wasn't told that the silver Mercury was Lane's until after the search was complete.
"What was the response what you opened the door and the trunk, sir?" Assistant Prosecutor Carin Goldfarb asked.
"There was a positive response -- the dog barked continuously," he said, adding that the dog didn't bark at any other cars.
He said they then went to a Detroit Police Department evidence room, where investigators wrapped Bianca's car seat in brown paper and hid it in an office within a number of rooms.
Grime said there was no response during the first search, when the car seat was sealed inside the brown paper. He then asked officers to put a slit in the paper and move the car seat to another room.
"The second time, when the dog got close to the package, he put his nose in the package and gave a positive response," Grime said.
Investigators then set up a search in another warehouse using Bianca's blanket that had been in the car seat. Grime said the dog barked when it came across a brown paper bag on the floor with the blanket inside.
"Were you aware of where any of these items were going to be when Morse signaled on them?" Goldfarb asked.
"No," Grime said, adding that he can't force the dog to bark continuously and he never saw the actual car seat or blanket.
Grime said he then took Morse to Lane's house, where Morse sat and barked in Bianca's bedroom, close to the opening of a door-less closet.
"Have the results you've come up with ever been contradicted?" Judge Vonda Evans asked. He said no.
But Lane's attorney, Terry Johnson, raised questions about the dog's ability to detect decomposition during his cross-examination.
"You have no way of telling what Morse responded to at any location?" Johnson asked Grime.
"He gave us a positive response," Grime said. "The corroboration would normally be to find a cadaver or bone or blood that you can see."
"The dog did not give a positive response to the clothing worn by Mr. Lane, correct?" Johnson asked.
"No," Grime said.
Lane's attorney, Terry L. Johnson, said in testimony Wednesday in Wayne County Circuit Court that the dog's positive detection of human decomposition in this case, signified with repeated barking, is unsubstantiated because it hasn't been linked to a corpse.
Johnson, who questioned the forensic canine experts with direction from Texas-based police service dog analyst Steven Nicely, added that Morse didn't alert its handler to the scent of decomposition on Lane's clothing.
"You have no way of telling what Morse responded to," said Johnson, noting the positive detection hasn't been connected to Bianca's body or anyone else's. "You don't know if it was a positive or negative response."
Grime conceded a determination is usually made when something is found.
"The corroboration would normally be you finding a cadaver, bone or human blood that I could see," he told Johnson, adding that the dog has never given a false response.
Johnson has called the relatively new scientific method "highly prejudicial" and unsuccessfully fought to have it excluded from Lane's trial.
Grime testified Wednesday that Morse detected a cadaver scent inside Lane's car two days after the alleged carjacking. The dog selected the vehicle, which was among 31 others, at a Detroit impound lot.
The dog later alerted Grime of alleged human decomposition on Bianca's car seat and blanket as well as the girl's bedroom inside Lane's home.
Grime testified that the dog was accurate in tests before the visit to Detroit and after.
Grime has said the cadaver dogs cannot determine identity, age, race, gender or the rate of decomposition.
Rex A. Stockham, forensic canine program manager for the FBI, also testified about Morse on Wednesday. He said the English springer spaniel is regularly tested for proficiency, and while no dog is perfect, Morse has been accurate.
"I'm aware of no false positives for Morse," he said. "We've never had any case yet where the dog has responded and it's been shown to be incorrect."
http://www.freep.com/article/20121004/NEWS01/310040204/

[pathfinder73]

17 February 2010
 Daily Star
 Wilma Riley
Murder trial is told of dunes discovery

 A sniffer dog involved in the Madeleine McCann and Soham cases found the body of a man buried in sand dunes, a murder jury was told yesterday.

 Specialist canine handler Martin Grime told how he and his three springer spaniels, Eddie, Keela and Morse were called in to assist with the hunt for Bob "Black Bob" Rose.

 The 54-year-old disappeared last June on the Orkney isle of Sanday.

 The witness told prosecutor Alex Prentice QC, that Eddie, who is trained to find bodies, reacted when he was taken to the dunes at Sty Wick.

 He said: "I noticed a change in his behaviour. He identified one spot.

 "His normal reaction is to bark. On this occasion, he started to dig which I've never seen him do before."

 The jury was told that a body was subsequently found at the spot where Eddie had indicated.

[Redblossom]

Rex A. Stockham, forensic canine program manager for the FBI, also testified about Morse on Wednesday. He said the English springer spaniel is regularly tested for proficiency, and while no dog is perfect, Morse has been accurate.
"I'm aware of no false positives for Morse," he said. "We've never had any case yet where the dog has responded and it's been shown to be incorrect."

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Not useless then......

[ferryman]

Rex A. Stockham, forensic canine program manager for the FBI, also testified about Morse on Wednesday. He said the English springer spaniel is regularly tested for proficiency, and while no dog is perfect, Morse has been accurate.
"I'm aware of no false positives for Morse," he said. "We've never had any case yet where the dog has responded and it's been shown to be incorrect."

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Not useless then......

Morse.

Hmmmmmmmmmmmm!

[Redblossom]

Morse.

Hmmmmmmmmmmmm!

Is that you licking you chops in anticipation of attempting to discredit something else....quelle surprise
 

I predict you will miserably fail, as per form.....

[AnneGuedes]

Is that you licking you chops in anticipation of attempting to discredit something else....quelle surprise
 

I predict you will miserably fail, as per form.....

[AnneGuedes]

By the way, the living one sent to deadland by a cadaver dog, Ferryman ?