The truth about the failed marking of cuddle cat by cadaver dog Eddie

[John]

Cuddle Cat was only a diversion.  If there were any suspicious odours on the toy Eddie would have detected it the moment he pulled it out of the toy box.

[Silkywhiskers]

Cuddle Cat was only a diversion.  If there were any suspicious odours on the toy Eddie would have detected it the moment he pulled it out of the toy box.

And of course you have a link to back up that statement...?

How on earth someone with zero EVRD experience can state definitively what Eddie signalled to and how by watching a heavily edited video beats me.

Especially a moderator who is SUPPOSED to be unbiased.

[pegasus]

What is the real meaning, if Eddie did signal the cat?
It would indicate that the child walked into another room carrying the cat, then later someone else returned the cat to the bed.
IMO that is not what happened. Unnecessarily complicated.

[Estuarine]

I still love all this woofer stuff. FOUR threads now!
It will go round for ever without coming to a proper conclusion.

[sadie]

The dog "throwing the toy in the air" as some describe it, is definitely in the video, it is not omitted.
(And if you do watch the video, I recommend looking at exactly where the dog sniffs just before he barks).

Sorry this is a bit late Pegasus, but the throwing of the dog in the air, from my memory, is not what you see on the video.  I remember cuddlecat sitting on the floor and the dog coming up to it, playing with it a bit and throwing it UP in the air.  UP in the sense that a tennis payer throws the ball UP in the air rater than across.

Maybe others will remember this too.  Seems Ferryman does.


This sequence has been removed from the video.  Why?

[John]

Sorry this is a bit late Pegasus, but the throwing of the dog in the air, from my memory, is not what you see on the video.  I remember cuddlecat sitting on the floor and the dog coming up to it, playing with it a bit and throwing it UP in the air.  UP in the sense that a tennis payer throws the ball UP in the air rater than across.

Maybe others will remember this too.  Seems Ferryman does.


This sequence has been removed from the video.  Why?

The same reason the raw footage has been removed from public viewing.

[Benice]

Sorry this is a bit late Pegasus, but the throwing of the dog in the air, from my memory, is not what you see on the video.  I remember cuddlecat sitting on the floor and the dog coming up to it, playing with it a bit and throwing it UP in the air.  UP in the sense that a tennis payer throws the ball UP in the air rater than across.

Maybe others will remember this too.  Seems Ferryman does.


This sequence has been removed from the video.  Why?

There is also nothing in the video to show who placed CC in the cupboard - or to explain the reasons why that was done with an item which Eddie had already inspected and passed by several times but did NOT alert to  - when the same procedure wasn't followed with any other items he didn't alert to.

He barked immediately after sniffing the articles on top of the cupboard - so why were they not individually isolated for further testing.?

The fact that wasn't done makes the test appear biased IMO.

[Carana]

There is also nothing in the video to show who placed CC in the cupboard - or to explain the reasons why that was done with an item which Eddie had already inspected and passed by several times but did NOT alert to  - when the same procedure wasn't followed with any other items he didn't alert to.

He barked immediately after sniffing the articles on top of the cupboard - so why were they not individually isolated for further testing.?

The fact that wasn't done makes the test appear biased IMO.

Very good point, Benice.

[Luz]

What I find amazing is that adults (I presume you are all adults, expected to be decent and accountable) try to destroy every single evidence against the McCann.

In most of the world CHILDREN are above all. If you fail them you deserve to be punished.
These people are more worried about a couple of neglectful (at the least) parents than with anything else.

[sadie]

There are two alerts in villa video.
First alert is just after sniffing a pile of items on TOP of sideboard.
Second alert seems to be directed possibly at seat of a nearby bentwood dining chair but I can't see what if anything is on it.

In a previous post Pegasus, you thought that the pile of items was a pile of clothes .... and to begin with I did too.  I thought it was a pile of neatly folded ironing, but then I noticed that it appeared to be adjacent to the sink.  Then I thought what woman would leave her carefully ironed clothes adjacent to splashing water?  Certainly not Kate, she would think before putting it down there

I enlarged the image x 4 (View... zoom .... across into new box that comes up ... and click on 400) and played the video over and over.   Checking .. checking .. checking

1.  You are quite right, the dog did NOT alert to cuddlecat, he had a good sniff near cuddlecat twice without any reaction.  As you say, he reacted to that pile on the counter.

2.  I had to look closely and my eyes are not so good these days but I am pretty confident that it is not clothes but a small pile of loose leaf folders with a loose sheet of paper on top.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_qG21K6XJRg

See for yourselves:

3.41 nose sniffing BTM of cupboard, close to CCat ... no reaction

3.52 nose sniffing BTM of cupboard, close to CCat ... no reaction

4.05 sniffs along counter and comes to the small pile of folders.  Immediately alerts. 
Watch the next bit as Grime gets CCat out of the BOTTOM of the cupboard and attributes the alert to CCat !

4'51  See the pile of loose leaf folders with loose sheet of paper on top.  Stop the video and have a close look, check I am right please.


From the visual evidence outlined, it seems obvious that Grime is wrong in attributing the alert to CCat.


The questions in my mind

1.  Would Gerry or kate have left any folders adjacent to the tap?  I think not.  Both have exhibited very orderly minds.  To achieve the levels they have in their careers. as well as intellect and determination, order was necessary.

2.  Who would leave a pile of folders and a sheet of paper there, by a tap?


So just who did the folders with the cadaver / urine/ etc. scent belong to?  How come they were carrying the scent of cadavar (or urine or .... etc) ?

[John]

There is also nothing in the video to show who placed CC in the cupboard - or to explain the reasons why that was done with an item which Eddie had already inspected and passed by several times but did NOT alert to  - when the same procedure wasn't followed with any other items he didn't alert to.

He barked immediately after sniffing the articles on top of the cupboard - so why were they not individually isolated for further testing.?

The fact that wasn't done makes the test appear biased IMO.

Obviously Cuddle Cat was put inside the cupboard so that Eddie would find it.   And find it he did...just like a game of hide n seek.  After all he had just played with it minutes before!    Good doggie Eddie!

 

[Serendipity]

Maybe all Eddie scented was odours coming from underneath the kitchen sink.  Cuddle Cat was only a diversion.  If there were any suspicious odours on the toy Eddie would have detected it the moment he pulled it out of the toy box.

How many more times do I have to post this before it sinks in with people here?

Eddie was not wrong re cuddle cat.

The reason Martin put cuddle cat in the cupboard is explained below.



http://www.scpr.org/news/2012/01/20/30870/indiana-bones-cadaver-dog-severed-limbs-hollywood/

[sadie]

From the visual evidence outlined, it seems obvious that Grime is wrong in attributing the alert to CCat.

See post 342   324 above outlining reasons for this statement

[pegasus]

There is no tap on the living area sideboard. There are two alerts. Alert 1 is to scent on top surface of sideboard (imo most likely a pile which contains about 5 folded clothing items with one A4 sheet of paperwork on top). Alert 2 appears to be maybe to something on seat of dining chair?

[sadie]

There is no tap on the living area sideboard. There are two alerts. Alert 1 is to scent on top surface of sideboard (imo most likely a pile which contains about 5 folded clothing items with one A4 sheet of paperwork on top). Alert 2 appears to be maybe to something on seat of dining chair?

I thought that it looked like a tap immediately behind the pile, Pegasus @ 4.51 approx

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_qG21K6XJRg

And according to my eyes, the pile certainly aint clothes.  Enlarge it x 4 (or more if you are able) and have a close look.


Whose folders /papers are they?  And what is the sheet on top?  Whose is that?   Those are the interesting questions, cos as you rightly pointed out the dog is NOT alerting to CCat.  Grime was mistaken in thinking that. 

Unless there is a longer video, (which there must be, cos the bit with the dog throwing CCat straight up in the air is missing), we shall never know. 



But Kate and Gerry will know and so probably will SY.  That is what is important.