The truth about the failed marking of cuddle cat by cadaver dog Eddie

[ferryman]

Just about everywhere (else) Eddie was deployed (including places Harrison had nothing to do with and disowned afterwards) was a whistle-stop tour.

Only those places the McCanns were associated with were lingered over long, with the dog being repeatedly directed to places of "key" interest.

And lo!

Eventually, the dog turned, faced his master, and barked.

As Grime himself says, false alerts are most commonly induced by the handler ...

[ferryman]

http://gentleworld.org/whats-hiding-in-your-organic-fertilizer/

(sic)

Animal Manures:
From cows, pigs, chickens, etc. This one shouldn’t shock anyone. I think we’ve all walked by a yard that had the tell- tale odor of “fresh manure-based fertilizer”. Did you know though that the manure you buy at your local gardening store may contain livestock-grade hormones and antibiotics that can be readily absorbed by the plants you are growing?

Thank you, Ferryman, but please a link saying that this manure was put in the G5 flowerbed.

I never made the claim of any link with the files.

Just offered the suggestion as a plausible explanation of Eddie's alert.

[AnneGuedes]

(including places Harrison had nothing to do with and disowned afterwards)

Ferryman , lol, have you got a link ?

[ferryman]

(including places Harrison had nothing to do with and disowned afterwards)

Ferryman , lol, have you got a link ?

Here is Harrison's summary of the searches:

The timeline of these searches was as follows:
 
On 31-07-07 the PJ conducted canine searches with a search warrant at apartments in Praia da Luz that had been previously occupied by the McCanns and their friends.
 
On 01-08-07 the PJ and GNR assisted by a canine, conducted searches on the eastern beach and wasteland in Praia da Luz.
 
On 02-08-07 the PJ conducted a search warrant at a villa in Praia da Luz currently occupied by the McCann family.
 
Later the same day PJ officers conducted a screening procedure involving items removed from the McCann’s villa.
 
On 03-08-07 PJ and GNR officers were given instruction based on translated extracts from NPIA doctrine on search management and procedures. This focused on search procedures relating to buildings and vehicles.
 
On 04-08-07 and 05-08-07 a search warrant was executed at the villa and gardens belonging to the PJ suspect Robert Murat. This search involved both PJ and GNR personnel supported by civil defence, geophysical equipment operators and a canine handler.
 
On 06-08-07 ten vehicles were searched associated to the enquiry.
 
On 07-08-07 the western beach and remaining wasteland areas were searched using canine and GNR personnel.
 
On 08-08-07 the drains around the apartment block where Madeleine McCann disappeared from were subject to a visual inspection by P

Inspections at the villa and the gym are both summarised (without description) as "PJ exercises"

While Harrison did recommend an inspection of vehicles, he recommended, only, that cars owned or driven by Murat should be inspected. 

One of those never made it (a car hired by Murat).  8 Harrison said nothing about did.

Harrison gives no clue who took part in that exercise.

The only searches Harrison owns UK participation in are the ones he recommended: the holiday apartments, the Murats' place and areas in and around PdL

That's it.

[icabodcrane]

I simply cannot accept the suggestion that Mr Grime  'lead'  his dog into alerting

I'll give you my reasoning

At that point, Mr Grime would have been fully aware of the huge public support the McCanns had

He will have known that very high ranking officials in government  ( right up to the Prime Minister ), together with wealthy and influential businessmen and showbiz stars,    had been actively supporting the McCanns

What   ...  WHAT  ... could he possibly have had to gain by prompting his dogs to falsely alert in the McCann's villa ?

It makes no sense at all

[debunker]

'Leading' otherwise known as cueing may be done quite unconsciously.

[ferryman]

I simply cannot accept the suggestion that Mr Grime  'lead'  his dog into alerting

I'll give you my reasoning

At that point, Mr Grime would have been fully aware of the huge public support the McCanns had

He will have known that very high ranking officials in government  ( right up to the Prime Minister ), together with wealthy and influential businessmen and showbiz stars,    had been actively supporting the McCanns

What   ...  WHAT  ... could he possibly have had to gain by prompting his dogs to falsely alert in the McCann's villa ?

It makes no sense at all

Four words:

Haute de la Garenne

[AnneGuedes]

Hauts de la Garenne, if I may, Ferryman !
But no, please, not again the c... !

[Benice]

I simply cannot accept the suggestion that Mr Grime  'lead'  his dog into alerting

I'll give you my reasoning

At that point, Mr Grime would have been fully aware of the huge public support the McCanns had

He will have known that very high ranking officials in government  ( right up to the Prime Minister ), together with wealthy and influential businessmen and showbiz stars,    had been actively supporting the McCanns

What   ...  WHAT  ... could he possibly have had to gain by prompting his dogs to falsely alert in the McCann's villa ?

It makes no sense at all

If it was 'unconscious' cueing - he wouldn't be aware that he was doing it.    If (in view of the above) he was too eager or even anxious to 'get it right' that could have affected him.    Anyone who has dog will know they are  brilliant on picking up on the tiniest changes in the body language of their owners.


   

[icabodcrane]

'Leading' otherwise known as cueing may be done quite unconsciously.

I just think that if Mr Grime was that unprofessional, then, given the circumstances surrounding the case, it was much more likely that he would have  'unconsiously cued'  in Robert Murat's gaff

[ferryman]

'Leading' otherwise known as cueing may be done quite unconsciously.

I just think that if Mr Grime was that unprofessional, then, given the circumstances surrounding the case, it was much more likely that he would have  'unconsiously cued'  in Robert Murat's gaff

There was some shocking bad practice in deployment of the dogs and inexplicable decisions to conduct searches in places Madeleine never went near ....

[John]

He was passing Cuddle Cat around like bloody pass the parcel.  I'm sorry to say the whole exercise was a fiasco and a circus from beginning to end.

Those dogs might have be useful in locating actual human remains where they existed in sufficient quantity to actually be identified as such but that is where it ends. 

[AnneGuedes]

I simply cannot accept the suggestion that Mr Grime  'lead'  his dog into alerting

I'll give you my reasoning

At that point, Mr Grime would have been fully aware of the huge public support the McCanns had

He will have known that very high ranking officials in government  ( right up to the Prime Minister ), together with wealthy and influential businessmen and showbiz stars,    had been actively supporting the McCanns

What   ...  WHAT  ... could he possibly have had to gain by prompting his dogs to falsely alert in the McCann's villa ?

It makes no sense at all

If it was 'unconscious' cueing - he wouldn't be aware that he was doing it.    If (in view of the above) he was too eager or even anxious to 'get it right' that could have affected him.    Anyone who has dog will know they are  brilliant on picking up on the tiniest changes in the body language of their owners.


   

What are you talking about, Benice, Mr Grime isn't an armchair handler, but a police officer who has trained his dogs for years, observing, caring, meditating ! Moreover, in the PDL operation, he wasn't alone, Gott sei Dank, he had with him the head of British sleuths concerning disappearances, Mr Harrison !

[John]

Notice how he never trusted them enough in order to say 100% that they had found a cadaver scent.  It wouldn't have gone down too well or done his street cred any favours not to mention his bank balance if the dead person suddenly reappeared some time later after he had said they were dead.

No wonder he always said that the dogs marking was only an indication of what may be...not what is.

[icabodcrane]

'Leading' otherwise known as cueing may be done quite unconsciously.

I just think that if Mr Grime was that unprofessional, then, given the circumstances surrounding the case, it was much more likely that he would have  'unconsiously cued'  in Robert Murat's gaff

There was some shocking bad practice in deployment of the dogs and inexplicable decisions to conduct searches in places Madeleine never went near ....

You're missing my point ferryman

I am saying that if Mr Grime,  who worked for the British police,  was  'prone'  to cueing his dogs,  consiously or not   (  for attention ? ...  acclaim ?   )   then it would be much more likely that he would have done so in Robert Murat's house

...  or are we to believe that, for some unknown reason,  he  'had it in for the McCanns'  specificly  ?