Mark Williams-Thomas suggests Madeleine woke, wandered and was abducted.

[ShiningInLuz]

There are flights from Dublin which land at Faro 1825pm. Why does it have to be London?

It doesn't have to be London. 1825 landing sounds early, 3/4 hours for luggage and customs, 1 1/4 hours for a transit to OC.  We're somewhere there or abouts.  Hmmm.

[pegasus]

For example yesterday a Thursday there were late afternoon / evening flight arrivals at Faro from London Bristol Glasgow Dusseldorf Eindhoven Amsterdam

[misty]

For example yesterday a Thursday there were late afternoon / evening flight arrivals at Faro from London Bristol Glasgow Dusseldorf Eindhoven Amsterdam

Therein lay a major deficiency in the original investigation. There were many other witnesses to be considered who could have been in the vicinity of the Tapas Bar & OC reception that night at various times yet the PJ concentrated only on MW guests & MW/OC employees. There was a Thomas Cook children's daytime club which operated in the resort (see Trip Advisor) & presumably shared some of the same facilities as MW clubs, yet no mention of interviewing any of the workers.

[jassi]

Therein lay a major deficiency in the original investigation. There were many other witnesses to be considered who could have been in the vicinity of the Tapas Bar & OC reception that night at various times yet the PJ concentrated only on MW guests & MW/OC employees. There was a Thomas Cook children's daytime club which operated in the resort (see Trip Advisor) & presumably shared some of the same facilities as MW clubs, yet no mention of interviewing any of the workers.

As everyone was looking for a child who disappeared on the Thursday night, why would these other people appear to be relevant to the search?

[Brietta]

Therein lay a major deficiency in the original investigation. There were many other witnesses to be considered who could have been in the vicinity of the Tapas Bar & OC reception that night at various times yet the PJ concentrated only on MW guests & MW/OC employees. There was a Thomas Cook children's daytime club which operated in the resort (see Trip Advisor) & presumably shared some of the same facilities as MW clubs, yet no mention of interviewing any of the workers.

One of the greatest omissions was to miss out interviewing Mr and Mrs Moyes.

They were out and about at the time.  They walked past the church on the way home.  They walked past the supermarket.  They entered the apartment 5 car park to reach their apartment immediately above Mrs Fenn.  They sat out on their balcony.  All after 9.00pm.  They helped with the search for Madeleine.

A huge undertaking to track and check if holidaymakers of all nationalities might have seen something relevant ... but with passenger lists and assistance from other law enforcement agencies not an insurmountable one.

I don't think I am benefiting from hindsight when I say that the inward thinking of the investigation ~ which we now know started on the 4th May ~ obstructed  any other avenue.

Abduction seems to have been dismissed out of hand.
Woke and wandered didn't work after scrutiny

In combination with a co-ordinator who had just become an arguido and no doubt anxious for the kudos of yet another successful prosecution in a missing child case ... missing out obvious diligences in haste to get one may have been an explosive mixture.

[ShiningInLuz]

Therein lay a major deficiency in the original investigation. There were many other witnesses to be considered who could have been in the vicinity of the Tapas Bar & OC reception that night at various times yet the PJ concentrated only on MW guests & MW/OC employees. There was a Thomas Cook children's daytime club which operated in the resort (see Trip Advisor) & presumably shared some of the same facilities as MW clubs, yet no mention of interviewing any of the workers.

I think you are looking for too many 'other' workers.

MW had just bought the OC.  So all Thomas Cook had to do was to agree child-care with MW, not provide it themselves.  Somewhere along the line I remember seeing that one apartment was allotted to TC.  That would be enough for a couple of TC reps, and I haven't seen any indication of more.

I suppose if this issue is deemed important enough, one could check the crèche registers to see if all children came only from the parents with MW.

[carol]

If Madeleine 'woke and wandered' via the patio door , the opening must have been easily wide enough for her to squeeze through. I'm pretty sure the McCanns would not have left it that way and the child certainly would not have closed it behind her. Surely then Kate would have noticed and thought it strange. Was  this then  the reason she immediately 'knew' that Madeleine had been abducted? Oh no, it  wasn't until she noticed the bedroom door slightly more open than she'd left it that doubts began to surface. She mentally put THIS  down to Matt's previous checking but then when the door slammed shut  she just 'knew' an abduction had taken place...................via the window.

[Brietta]

If Madeleine 'woke and wandered' via the patio door , the opening must have been easily wide enough for her to squeeze through. I'm pretty sure the McCanns would not have left it that way and the child certainly would not have closed it behind her. Surely then Kate would have noticed and thought it strange. Was  this then  the reason she immediately 'knew' that Madeleine had been abducted? Oh no, it  wasn't until she noticed the bedroom door slightly more open than she'd left it that doubts began to surface. She mentally put THIS  down to Matt's previous checking but then when the door slammed shut  she just 'knew' an abduction had taken place...................via the window.

The patio door slides quite easily from either side ... Mr Amaral demonstrated in his documentary ... no need for anyone to 'squeeze' through a gap.
You must have missed the lengthy discussion we had on this very point.

The difficulty with the woke and wandered theory is indeed, as you have rightly spotted, the open window but more particularly the raised shutter.

Thank heavens for proper investigation by a 'profiler' who kindly went to the bother of filming an ex police officer lifting it from the outside.  Thus dispelling years of assertion such a thing could not be achieved from the outside.

[pathfinder73]

The patio door slides quite easily from either side ... Mr Amaral demonstrated in his documentary ... no need for anyone to 'squeeze' through a gap.
You must have missed the lengthy discussion we had on this very point.

The difficulty with the woke and wandered theory is indeed, as you have rightly spotted, the open window but more particularly the raised shutter.

Thank heavens for proper investigation by a 'profiler' who kindly went to the bother of filming an ex police officer lifting it from the outside.  Thus dispelling years of assertion such a thing could not be achieved from the outside.

The shutters don't fully raise from the outside, they jam and fall back down. Dianne found them lowered not raised and when she tried to lift them they twisted and got stuck in that position as seen in crime scene photos. The only way to keep the shutters raised it by using the cord on the inside.

[Mr Gray]

The shutters don't fully raise from the outside, they jam and fall back down. Dianne found them lowered not raised and when she tried to lift them they twisted and got stuck in that position as seen in crime scene photos. The only way to keep the shutters raised it by using the cord on the inside.

Raise them
Open window
Then reach in and pull cord

[Brietta]

The shutters don't fully raise from the outside, they jam and fall back down. Dianne found them lowered not raised and when she tried to lift them they twisted and got stuck in that position as seen in crime scene photos. The only way to keep the shutters raised it by using the cord on the inside.

May I recommend the following demonstration of exactly how to raise a shutter from outside in less than a minute ...
http://espacioexterior.blogspot.co.uk/2013/04/the-madeleine-mccann-abduction-janosch.html

[stephen25000]

May I recommend the following demonstration of exactly how to raise a shutter from outside in less than a minute ...
http://espacioexterior.blogspot.co.uk/2013/04/the-madeleine-mccann-abduction-janosch.html

Tut, tut.

It does not mean an abduction occurred.

[Alice Purjorick]

May I recommend the following demonstration of exactly how to raise a shutter from outside in less than a minute ...
http://espacioexterior.blogspot.co.uk/2013/04/the-madeleine-mccann-abduction-janosch.html

We have seen this before.
If you look carefully enough and know what you are looking for you will note the key elements are out of camera shot.

[Mr Gray]

We have seen this before.
If you look carefully enough and know what you are looking for you will note the key elements are out of camera shot.

the most important point is that the "security" shutters can be opened from the outside...bizarre
so every apartment on the complex was unlocked

[Alice Purjorick]

the most important point is that the "security" shutters can be opened from the outside...bizarre
so every apartment on the complex was unlocked

Look again carefully.