Lies, lies and more dam llies...

[amaraltheofficeboy]

'The missing child protocol was activated'

oh goody that did a load of good then - NOT

You don't work for Mark Warner perchance?

what if G&K had a very good idea of who spirited the child away?

[Carana]

'The missing child protocol was activated'

oh goody that did a load of good then - NOT

You don't work for Mark Warner perchance?

No. What do you find strange? Missing child alerts are to help find... a missing child.

[Carana]

When Your Child Goes Missing: Survival Guide

 Your Role in the Search:The First 48 Hours
In the initial stage of thesearch, devote your time to providing informationto and answering questions from investigators.

 Once you discover that your child is missing, you will desperately want tohelp with the search. You may, in fact, wonder how you possibly can stand by and let others look for your child. But the reality is that in most instances, the best use of your energy is not on the physical search itself. Rather, you need to provide information to and answer questions from investigators and to be at home in the event your child calls or returns.


http://madeleinemccannthetruth.wordpress.com/2013/05/20/when-your-child-goes-missing/

Isn't this what happened with April Jones parents?

It's what happened with the McCann couple too, they spent the rest of the time at the police station answering questions just after she went missing. Still, earlier than that, they were out in the streets of PDL searching. People still deliberately "misunderstand" the "I didn't physically search" interview quote from Kate McCann.

Indeed.  IIRC Nowhere in that interview is Kate asked about the searching she and Gerry did - or M.Warner's search procedure  - only whether she felt she had wanted to join in with the searches, which went on for a long time in the days afterwards by the locals.     Im sure I will be corrected if I'm wrong but from memory  - her immediate reply was  ..'Well, I did'  - which apparently to some people means 'No I didn't'.   

Any physical searching by the McCanns would have been impractical anyway because of the hordes of media people who had descended on PdL.

And do remind us why hordes of media people had descended on Luz?

Yep right because of Team McCann and their PR juggernaut activities.

The parents can't have it both ways - they can't invite the worldwide media - and then dictate to them what to report.

A certain Diana Spencer learnt this to her cost.

The media arrived the following day - they were not invited by the McCanns.     The only contact that had been made to the media at that point was for the sole purpose of bringing Madeleine's abduction to the attention of the public as soon as possible.  Are you saying that was wrong?

Anyway, none of that has any bearing on my comment that it would not have been possible for the McCanns to go out searching - because they would have been immediately surrounded by the waiting reporters and photographers.   I've no doubt that they were advised not to even attempt it.

On the night and early morning - they did. But they had to wait for the GNR, give them as much info as possible, get photos organised, wait for the PJ...

The next day (after their early morning search), they were at the Portimão station all day.

[Benice]

When Your Child Goes Missing: Survival Guide

 Your Role in the Search:The First 48 Hours
In the initial stage of thesearch, devote your time to providing informationto and answering questions from investigators.

 Once you discover that your child is missing, you will desperately want tohelp with the search. You may, in fact, wonder how you possibly can stand by and let others look for your child. But the reality is that in most instances, the best use of your energy is not on the physical search itself. Rather, you need to provide information to and answer questions from investigators and to be at home in the event your child calls or returns.


http://madeleinemccannthetruth.wordpress.com/2013/05/20/when-your-child-goes-missing/

Isn't this what happened with April Jones parents?

It's what happened with the McCann couple too, they spent the rest of the time at the police station answering questions just after she went missing. Still, earlier than that, they were out in the streets of PDL searching. People still deliberately "misunderstand" the "I didn't physically search" interview quote from Kate McCann.

Indeed.  IIRC Nowhere in that interview is Kate asked about the searching she and Gerry did - or M.Warner's search procedure  - only whether she felt she had wanted to join in with the searches, which went on for a long time in the days afterwards by the locals.     Im sure I will be corrected if I'm wrong but from memory  - her immediate reply was  ..'Well, I did'  - which apparently to some people means 'No I didn't'.   

Any physical searching by the McCanns would have been impractical anyway because of the hordes of media people who had descended on PdL.

And do remind us why hordes of media people had descended on Luz?

Yep right because of Team McCann and their PR juggernaut activities.

The parents can't have it both ways - they can't invite the worldwide media - and then dictate to them what to report.

A certain Diana Spencer learnt this to her cost.

The media arrived the following day - they were not invited by the McCanns.     The only contact that had been made to the media at that point was for the sole purpose of bringing Madeleine's abduction to the attention of the public as soon as possible.  Are you saying that was wrong?

Anyway, none of that has any bearing on my comment that it would not have been possible for the McCanns to go out searching - because they would have been immediately surrounded by the waiting reporters and photographers.   I've no doubt that they were advised not to even attempt it.

On the night and early morning - they did. But they had to wait for the GNR, give them as much info as possible, get photos organised, wait for the PJ...

The next day (after their early morning search), they were at the Portimão station all day.

Exactly - and it was on their return from the police station that evening that they were confronted with ...''what seemed like hundreds of press and TV crews, five or six deep ''    (page 118 Kates book)

[sadie]

So all the day accounted for and exhuasted, people clamouring to speak to them.  .  How could they search?

[registrar]

So all the day accounted for and exhuasted, people clamouring to speak to them.  .  How could they search?

They jogged for miles days later - unemcumbered by hordes of press

Do you dispute this?

[Benice]

So all the day accounted for and exhuasted, people clamouring to speak to them.  .  How could they search?

They jogged for miles days later - unemcumbered by hordes of press

Do you dispute this?

How would you know that - without seeing pictures of them taken by PRESS photographers!   I believe arrangements were made to give the McCanns some privacy - in exchange for arranged 'briefings'  .  Although because the secrecy laws -  apart from appealing for Madeleine's safe return there was nothing they could say to the Press.

I don't know why you have a problem with jogging.   After my neighbour took his 19 yr old daughter a cup of tea up in bed - and found her dead, (an undiagnosed heart problem) he took to jogging early every morning.   He would run for miles.      His wife who was previously a very bubbly sociable person became a virtual recluse for months.   Both dealt with their grief in their own way.    There are no do's and don'ts. 



 


 

[sadie]

The thread seems to have been about the immediate two days after the abduction.  Has it changed now?

They were totally tied up for two days weren't they?


Then registrar, they are doctors, they did their search after the initial hours mainly via the intellectual route.  The Physical search had been pretty much exhausted.  They used their brains, very little point in going over all the places others had looked

But Gerry and was it ?Sandy definitely searched the rocks and cliff around Rocha Negro.  That was recorded on photographs.  It wasn't just a strioll along the beach as you made out.

God only knows when else they searched that wasn't recorded.  Cos it wasn't recorded, doesn't mean it didn't happen

My bet is that Gerry was also researching detectives, lawyers, what to do when your child goes missing etc, along with comforting Kate and trying to be as normal as possible with the twins.  At the same time juggling with all the people who kindly wanted to help and the media and fetching family and friends from Faro airport.

good thing that they looked after their mental and physical health by jogging.  Also gave them a chance to discuss things away from prying ears and the twins.


Dont know how Gerry did it all, tbh

[sadie]

So all the day accounted for and exhuasted, people clamouring to speak to them.  .  How could they search?

They jogged for miles days later - unemcumbered by hordes of press

Do you dispute this?

How would you know that - without seeing pictures of them taken by PRESS photographers!   I believe arrangements were made to give the McCanns some privacy - in exchange for arranged 'briefings'  .  Although because the secrecy laws -  apart from appealing for Madeleine's safe return there was nothing they could say to the Press.

I don't know why you have a problem with jogging.   After my neighbour took his 19 yr old daughter a cup of tea up in bed - and found her dead, (an undiagnosed heart problem) he took to jogging early every morning.   He would run for miles.      His wife who was previously a very bubbly sociable person became a virtual recluse for months.   Both dealt with their grief in their own way.    There are no do's and don'ts. 



 

There are no do's and dont's.  I can verify that, having lost my nine year old to a brain tumour.  You just do your best.


What I did have all along was tremendous support from everyone.  No-one carped about any imaginary ways that I/we did things wrong ... and we made some mistakes.  Everyone does in a new diabolical happening such as losing a child.


I repeat 

EVERY ONE GAVE US THEIR LOVE and SUPPORT.  They were wonderful.



So unlike the cruelty shown over the years to The Mccanns

[Carana]

So all the day accounted for and exhuasted, people clamouring to speak to them.  .  How could they search?

They jogged for miles days later - unemcumbered by hordes of press

Do you dispute this?

How would you deal with stress relief, surrounded by the media and well-meaning family and friends, but who may be momentarily stifling?

[Carana]

So all the day accounted for and exhuasted, people clamouring to speak to them.  .  How could they search?

They jogged for miles days later - unemcumbered by hordes of press

Do you dispute this?

How would you know that - without seeing pictures of them taken by PRESS photographers!   I believe arrangements were made to give the McCanns some privacy - in exchange for arranged 'briefings'  .  Although because the secrecy laws -  apart from appealing for Madeleine's safe return there was nothing they could say to the Press.

I don't know why you have a problem with jogging.   After my neighbour took his 19 yr old daughter a cup of tea up in bed - and found her dead, (an undiagnosed heart problem) he took to jogging early every morning.   He would run for miles.      His wife who was previously a very bubbly sociable person became a virtual recluse for months.   Both dealt with their grief in their own way.    There are no do's and don'ts. 



 

There are no do's and dont's.  I can verify that, having lost my nine year old to a brain tumour.  You just do your best.


What I did have all along was tremendous support from everyone.  No-one carped about any imaginary ways that I/we did things wrong ... and we made some mistakes.  Everyone does in a new diabolical happening such as losing a child.


I repeat 

EVERY ONE GAVE US THEIR LOVE and SUPPORT.  They were wonderful.



So unlike the cruelty shown over the years to The Mccanns

Aw, Sadie, so sorry to read that. That must have been so awful. Support must have been so precious, even if it didn't help with the pain.

[registrar]

So all the day accounted for and exhuasted, people clamouring to speak to them.  .  How could they search?

They jogged for miles days later - unemcumbered by hordes of press

Do you dispute this?

How would you deal with stress relief, surrounded by the media and well-meaning family and friends, but who may be momentarily stifling?

If I had felt the need to do physical jerks after such an ordeal

I could have done sit ups and press ups  in the apt.- well outside the range of camera lenses

Nope - the McCanns felt a need to present themselves - they always have

   

[sadie]

Thank you Carana.

People were wonderful

[sadie]

So all the day accounted for and exhuasted, people clamouring to speak to them.  .  How could they search?

They jogged for miles days later - unemcumbered by hordes of press

Do you dispute this?

How would you deal with stress relief, surrounded by the media and well-meaning family and friends, but who may be momentarily stifling?

If I had felt the need to do physical jerks after such an ordeal

I could have done sit ups and press ups  in the apt.- well outside the range of camera lenses

Nope - the McCanns felt a need to present themselves - they always have

 

That's the jerks way , the Mccanns way was different

[registrar]

And I hope your blind faith shall be rewarded over time