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Should the McCanns go back to Portugal to search for Madeleine?

Yes - of course they should. Any concerned parent would do so.
No - it would serve no purpose.
Not sure one way or another.

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Offline Benice

Re: Should the McCanns go back to Portugal to look for Madeleine?
« Reply #45 on: May 31, 2013, 10:20:59 AM »
I have a slightly different suggestion, Angelo.

Imagine that you're Gerry McCann at 22:10 in a foreign country and have just discovered that your child has disappeared, seemingly abducted.

Why not lead us through what you would have done differently from then on?





I have no gripe with what they did immediately on finding her gone but I do with what they did immediately after the arguido status was lifted.  The perception is that they scuttled off home like scared rats.  Harsh but true.

Ok... so at which point do you think they went off track?

NB: They went back home way before arguido status was lifted.

My apologies Carana as I didn't see your question before leaving.  I should have made it clear that the McCanns were made arguidos on the Friday and jetted off home two days later on the Sunday in September 2007.  The arguido status was lifted in July 2008.  They went off track the moment they refused to answer the detectives questions at the police station.  As I stated previously...the McCanns received some bad advice at that point in time as their actions have both then and now been perceived as being sinister.


Yes and up until they were made arguido's....they had no intention of leaving Portugal .....,where K felt close to maddie.

K was also told by not answering the questions ...she could harm the investigation ..her answer was yes

Her full answer in fact was ''Yes if that's what the investigation thinks''   She was being ironic, and who could bame her when the people who WERE harming the investigation by trying to frame her instead of looking for Madeleine were the very same people accusing HER of harming the investigation.   The supreme irony of that whole situation would hardly have escaped her - wouldn't you agree? 

The notion that innocence prevails over guilt – when there is no evidence to the contrary – is what separates civilization from barbarism.    Unfortunately, there are remains of barbarism among us.    Until very recently, it headed the PJ in Portimão. I hope he was the last one.
                                               Henrique Monteiro, chief editor, Expresso, Portugal

Offline xtina

Re: Should the McCanns go back to Portugal to look for Madeleine?
« Reply #46 on: May 31, 2013, 10:26:43 AM »
It is also a question of priority.  Do you put your missing child continually over your other children?

Then there is the language problem ... and the natives aggression problem

Cultural problems


K&G ...have always put the twins first from the off ...they kept a normal routine ...went to bed every nite ..breakfast dinner tea...etc etc ....so how can u say..."Do you put your missing child continually over your other children"
Always listen to both sides of the story before you judge.

The first storyteller you will always find has modified the story, for there benefit BE WISE.

Offline sadie

Re: Should the McCanns go back to Portugal to look for Madeleine?
« Reply #47 on: May 31, 2013, 10:30:18 AM »
Xtina. 

What a rubbish remark.  "K&G ...have always put the twins first from the off "



Cites please

Offline Angelo222

Re: Should the McCanns go back to Portugal to look for Madeleine?
« Reply #48 on: May 31, 2013, 10:36:08 AM »
Apparently it was on legal advisement that they refused to answer the detectives questions.  Great advice which landed them in it up to their necks!!   @)(++(*
De troothe has the annoying habit of coming to the surface just when you least expect it!!

Je ne regrette rien!!

Offline Mo Stache

Re: Should the McCanns go back to Portugal to look for Madeleine?
« Reply #49 on: May 31, 2013, 10:39:29 AM »
The topic header is Should the McCanns go back to Portugal to look for Madeleine? and it is my submission that they should.  Pro McCanns appear to have a problem with this which is strange since you would think that the parents of a missing child would want to do so??  I keep asking myself what are they scared of?  Has the publication of the Madeleine book with all its criticisms contributed to this??
The reality is that the only purpose it would serve to return to Portugal to search for Madeleine would be to satisfy your criticisms. The Portuguese authorities will not allow the parents to search property/ies. Question and re interview people. They have, within Portuguese law, looked for her. They have had the support of others who are skilled in 'looking' for her and I don't include those who like Metodo 3 were only out to take financial advantage of them. It's not a matter of being scared of anything, it's a matter of keeping within the law and being realistic and practical at the same time. They have employed people who are giving them advice and guiding them in the best ways to look for Madeleine. But they came up against people like you who criticise without real understanding of their situation. People, who even after been given reason why things are dealt with in a certain way, still think there is something sinister in their actions. People who demand a reason why things are done in a certain way and expect the parents to justify every move they make just because their campaign is so public. It hasn't been the publication of the Madeleine book that has added difficulty in their attempts to find Madeleine, it has been the publication of the Amaral book. The book that has influenced others to believe Madeleine is dead and thus shouldn't be searched for. THIS influence has been the main stumbling block in the search for her and therefore it is and continues to be an issue that has resulted in legal action being taken against Mr Amaral. THIS book has had a major influence in the attitude of some people towards the McCann's and the search for their daughter.
There is nothing strange in not going back to Portugal to search for her as you wish they would. There is only something strange in the fact that you can't see why they are unable to do this.

I'm sure if one of the parents or both were seen looking for Madeleine in Portugal you would be first to criticise how futile an endeavour that would be.

And for the record, not all so called pro McCann's agree with everything the parents do and have done. You should try to stop seeing replies to your posts as either pro or anti because it clouds your judgment. 
« Last Edit: May 31, 2013, 10:46:07 AM by Mo Stache »

Offline sadie

Re: Should the McCanns go back to Portugal to look for Madeleine?
« Reply #50 on: May 31, 2013, 10:40:53 AM »
It was you, Angelo, that brought the thread back to the opening post.

Have you changed your mind?



... or dont you like the responses?

Offline Mo Stache

Re: Should the McCanns go back to Portugal to look for Madeleine?
« Reply #51 on: May 31, 2013, 10:42:59 AM »
Apparently it was on legal advisement that they refused to answer the detectives questions.  Great advice which landed them in it up to their necks!!   @)(++(*
Yes, there have been people who have ill advised the McCann's but how is that the McCann's fault?

Offline Angelo222

Re: Should the McCanns go back to Portugal to look for Madeleine?
« Reply #52 on: May 31, 2013, 10:48:31 AM »
Apparently it was on legal advisement that they refused to answer the detectives questions.  Great advice which landed them in it up to their necks!!   @)(++(*
Yes, there have been people who have ill advised the McCann's but how is that the McCann's fault?

A no-brainer.  They employed them didn't they consequently their fault.
De troothe has the annoying habit of coming to the surface just when you least expect it!!

Je ne regrette rien!!

Offline sadie

Re: Should the McCanns go back to Portugal to look for Madeleine?
« Reply #53 on: May 31, 2013, 10:49:08 AM »
Were the questions designed to help find Madeleine?

or we they designed to try and entrap Kate?

The lawyers knew what they were doing when they advised her not to answer, but seems some cant see the wood for the trees




I am thankful that she did not answer any of those questions, because the answers would have been twisted into something else

Almost certainly

Offline xtina

Re: Should the McCanns go back to Portugal to look for Madeleine?
« Reply #54 on: May 31, 2013, 10:50:32 AM »
Xtina. 

What a rubbish remark.  "K&G ...have always put the twins first from the off "



Cites please


no more rubbish ...than other remarks i have seen on here...

what is meant by Cites please
Always listen to both sides of the story before you judge.

The first storyteller you will always find has modified the story, for there benefit BE WISE.

Offline sadie

Re: Should the McCanns go back to Portugal to look for Madeleine?
« Reply #55 on: May 31, 2013, 10:51:37 AM »
No, with respect, you are wrong Angelo


The PT lawyers knew what was going to happen with those entrapment questions, and protected Kate against that.


Offline sadie

Re: Should the McCanns go back to Portugal to look for Madeleine?
« Reply #56 on: May 31, 2013, 10:53:02 AM »
Xtina. 

What a rubbish remark.  "K&G ...have always put the twins first from the off "



Cites please


no more rubbish ...than other remarks i have seen on here...

what is meant by Cites please

Cites = proof not myths and waffle

Offline Angelo222

Re: Should the McCanns go back to Portugal to look for Madeleine?
« Reply #57 on: May 31, 2013, 10:56:19 AM »
Were the questions designed to help find Madeleine?

or we they designed to try and entrap Kate?

The lawyers knew what they were doing when they advised her not to answer, but seems some cant see the wood for the trees

I am thankful that she did not answer any of those questions, because the answers would have been twisted into something else

Almost certainly

Innocent people cooperate with police investigators and especially so when their child has allegedly been abducted.  Different rules for the McCanns though apparently??    8(0(* ?{)(**

Cites??  You are beginning to morph into another Debunker Sadie.   @)(++(*
De troothe has the annoying habit of coming to the surface just when you least expect it!!

Je ne regrette rien!!

Offline Mo Stache

Re: Should the McCanns go back to Portugal to look for Madeleine?
« Reply #58 on: May 31, 2013, 10:58:52 AM »
Apparently it was on legal advisement that they refused to answer the detectives questions.  Great advice which landed them in it up to their necks!!   @)(++(*
Yes, there have been people who have ill advised the McCann's but how is that the McCann's fault?

A no-brainer.  They employed them didn't they consequently their fault.
If the McCann's were such experts in all fields they would be able to spot those who are no good at their job and or, have no need of their services in the first place, but seeing none of us are experts in all fields, we rely on the expertise and good will of others who are also human and make mistakes. It's like saying if you voted for the labour government you are just as much at fault for the dire economic situation the UK finds itself in. Have you never received ill advice?

Offline sadie

Re: Should the McCanns go back to Portugal to look for Madeleine?
« Reply #59 on: May 31, 2013, 11:02:24 AM »
Quote
Innocent people cooperate with police investigators and especially so when their child has allegedly been abducted.  Different rules for the McCanns though apparently??    8(0(* ?{)(**

Cites??  You are beginning to morph into another Debunker Sadie.   @)(++(*

I wish I could Angelo.  A brilliant brain sadly lost to this forum


We are not talking about a country that acts according to the Law here Angelo.  We are talking about a country that is still totalitarian / fascist

Different rules apply in countries like this.