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Offline Faithlilly

Re: Criticism of the Find Madeleine Fund and Review
« Reply #15 on: May 31, 2013, 06:55:35 PM »

The McCanns could have, as the April Jones fund did and as the Charity Commission suggested, broadened the aims of the fund to include initiatives that would benefit other missing children.

April Jones is tragically dead, and the only way you can spend money on someone dead is to pay for their funeral.

Has the point been firmly established that Moore didn't take the name of a chartered accountant in vain to lend spurious "credibility" to his own, poisonous, ramblings?

And Daniel Morecombe ?
'She ( Kate) did, she brought it up and that she, I mean, this is awful in retrospect as well, she asked what my opinion was on, erm, tut, on whether they were okay leaving the, the doors unlocked, because she was saying 'Is it better that if Madeleine wakes up she can get out and find us or', erm, 'or locking it and, you know, finding that we're not there and the door's locked if she woke up', because Madeleine had woken up, what I thought was the night before. Erm, tut, and it was in that context really, just asking, you know, what I thought. So it was obviously something that was on her mind a bit, huh'.

Offline Eleanor

Re: Criticism of the Find Madeleine Fund and Review
« Reply #16 on: May 31, 2013, 06:56:23 PM »

The McCanns could have, as the April Jones fund did and as the Charity Commission suggested, broadened the aims of the fund to include initiatives that would benefit other missing children.

April Jones is tragically dead, and the only way you can spend money on someone dead is to pay for their funeral.

Has the point been firmly established that Moore didn't take the name of a chartered accountant in vain to lend spurious "credibility" to his own, poisonous, ramblings?

Exactly.  April is dead.  Madeleine isn't, as far as I am concerned.  And the remit of The April Jones Fund was only changed after it was established that she was dead.
Just more twisting and spinning to beat The McCanns.

ferryman

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Re: Criticism of the Find Madeleine Fund and Review
« Reply #17 on: May 31, 2013, 07:00:30 PM »

The McCanns could have, as the April Jones fund did and as the Charity Commission suggested, broadened the aims of the fund to include initiatives that would benefit other missing children.

April Jones is tragically dead, and the only way you can spend money on someone dead is to pay for their funeral.

Has the point been firmly established that Moore didn't take the name of a chartered accountant in vain to lend spurious "credibility" to his own, poisonous, ramblings?

And Daniel Morecombe ?

The Morcombe family started the "Daniel Morcombe Foundation", and has put its resources into keeping Morcombe's disappearance in the public eye and trying to find out what happened to their son. The foundation is committed to educating children about personal safety and to raising awareness throughout Australia of the dangers of predatory criminals. These efforts are supported by the Australian media, especially on each anniversary of Morcombe's disappearance when a "Day for Daniel" is held to promote awareness of the vulnerability of children. An accompanying event is the "Ride for Daniel", which covers 50 km of the Sunshine Coast, held each year since 2005.[17]
Morcombe's murder was the focus of the Crime Investigation Australia Season 1 episode "Tears for Daniel".[18]

icabodcrane

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Re: Criticism of the Find Madeleine Fund and Review
« Reply #18 on: May 31, 2013, 07:52:10 PM »
Generally speaking, the Madeleine Fund is not critisised with regard to comparison with other funds, but, rather,  with regard to it's lack of transparancy

By choosing to make the Fund a limited company,  and thereafter choosing to present abbreviated  accounts,  the McCanns have kept the details of the Fund's spending secret

No-one knows, for instance,  how much of the Fund has been spent on lawyers

In the early days, shortly after the McCanns had been made Arguidos,  the  Board of Directors decided that paying the McCann's legal fees would not be in the spirit of the Fund ...  whilst, at the same time, pointing out that it would be entirely legal for the Fund to be used in that way should they have so decided

That was then.  The McCanns are no longer Arguidos, and the board of directors has changed significantly  (  both Kate and Gerry having since replaced two  directors who resigned )  So it is quite concievable that the McCann's legal costs  are,  now,  being paid from the Fund

I assume  Isabel Duarte has not been working for the McCanns for nothing,  yet it is not known whether her fees are being paid from the Fund or not

That is just one example of the Fund's  lack of transparent accountability, and it is what leaves it open to critisism

Offline Eleanor

Re: Criticism of the Find Madeleine Fund and Review
« Reply #19 on: May 31, 2013, 08:05:51 PM »

It isn't anyone else's business. The Inland Revenue don't seem bothered.  If you don't like it, don't donate.  There is nothing fraudulent going on.  End of.

Online Angelo222

Re: Criticism of the Find Madeleine Fund and Review
« Reply #20 on: May 31, 2013, 08:10:16 PM »
Generally speaking, the Madeleine Fund is not critisised with regard to comparison with other funds, but, rather,  with regard to it's lack of transparancy

By choosing to make the Fund a limited company,  and thereafter choosing to present abbreviated  accounts,  the McCanns have kept the details of the Fund's spending secret

No-one knows, for instance,  how much of the Fund has been spent on lawyers

In the early days, shortly after the McCanns had been made Arguidos,  the  Board of Directors decided that paying the McCann's legal fees would not be in the spirit of the Fund ...  whilst, at the same time, pointing out that it would be entirely legal for the Fund to be used in that way should they have so decided

That was then.  The McCanns are no longer Arguidos, and the board of directors has changed significantly  (  both Kate and Gerry having since replaced two  directors who resigned )  So it is quite concievable that the McCann's legal costs  are,  now,  being paid from the Fund

I assume  Isabel Duarte has not been working for the McCanns for nothing,  yet it is not known whether her fees are being paid from the Fund or not

That is just one example of the Fund's  lack of transparent accountability, and it is what leaves it open to critisism


Or to put it another way Ica, according to one former protagonist dictionary quoter...it ain't any of our effing business.   @)(++(* 8@??)(
De troothe has the annoying habit of coming to the surface just when you least expect it!!

Je ne regrette rien!!

Redblossom

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Re: Criticism of the Find Madeleine Fund and Review
« Reply #21 on: May 31, 2013, 08:18:42 PM »
In the early days, shortly after the McCanns had been made Arguidos,  the  Board of Directors decided that paying the McCann's legal fees would not be in the spirit of the Fund ...  whilst, at the same time, pointing out that it would be entirely legal for the Fund to be used in that way should they have so decided

That was then.  The McCanns are no longer Arguidos, and the board of directors has changed significantly  (  both Kate and Gerry having since replaced two  directors who resigned )  So it is quite concievable that the McCann's legal costs  are,  now,  being paid from the Fund

I assume  Isabel Duarte has not been working for the McCanns for nothing,  yet it is not known whether her fees are being paid from the Fund or not

That is just one example of the Fund's  lack of transparent accountability, and it is what leaves it open to critisism

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Icab
In this case it is a fact that legal representation was paid for out of the Fund, two years running,just the amount not disclosed
ETA Some argue the near million pounds  plus that was said to be put into the Fund from the Express paper payouts to the Mccanns and their friends and other sums received from a couple of papers as apologies, would be *their own* to do as they saw fit with as it was not the publics donations

See from around 5.50 here

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ferryman

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Re: Criticism of the Find Madeleine Fund and Review
« Reply #22 on: May 31, 2013, 08:19:10 PM »
The "choice" was a Hobson's choice (ie, no choice at all)


Redblossom

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Re: Criticism of the Find Madeleine Fund and Review
« Reply #23 on: May 31, 2013, 09:20:41 PM »
From the objectives


To procure that Madeleine's abduction is thoroughly investigated and that her abductors, as well as those who played or play any part in assisting them, are identified and brought to justice.......


Does this mean little over a week after the abduction this fund objective meant  to buy the services of private investigators?

I do remember John Mccanns press conference on the  BBC launchng the Fund around 17 May 07 where he mentioned that in the event the police investigation failed they would hire PIS but it wasnt an immediate objective

And Gerry Mccann in kate May in interviews said they were not thinking about PIs at all, which makes me wonder how that Fund objective was put in so early when Madeleine could have turned up tomorrow
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Offline gilet

Re: Criticism of the Find Madeleine Fund and Review
« Reply #24 on: May 31, 2013, 09:43:04 PM »
Thankfully the McCanns have been fully open about the objectives of their daughter's fund.

Can the same be said of the various funds set up by Tony Bennett and for Tony Bennett?

Can the same be said of the fund set up for Amaral?

Can the same be said for the fund set up by Audrey Fitzpatrick and Dave Mahon?

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icabodcrane

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Re: Criticism of the Find Madeleine Fund and Review
« Reply #25 on: May 31, 2013, 09:54:30 PM »
Thankfully the McCanns have been fully open about the objectives of their daughter's fund.

Can the same be said of the various funds set up by Tony Bennett and for Tony Bennett?

Can the same be said of the fund set up for Amaral?

Can the same be said for the fund set up by Audrey Fitzpatrick and Dave Mahon?

Rather than continue the op's false comparisons, why don't you address the criticism levelled at the Madeleine Fund itself  ?
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Redblossom

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Re: Criticism of the Find Madeleine Fund and Review
« Reply #26 on: May 31, 2013, 09:57:49 PM »
Thankfully the McCanns have been fully open about the objectives of their daughter's fund.

Can the same be said of the various funds set up by Tony Bennett and for Tony Bennett?

Can the same be said of the fund set up for Amaral?

Can the same be said for the fund set up by Audrey Fitzpatrick and Dave Mahon?

Whats that to do with my post qnd question that you quoted, nothing at all
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Redblossom

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Re: Criticism of the Find Madeleine Fund and Review
« Reply #27 on: May 31, 2013, 10:05:35 PM »


Has the point been firmly established that Moore didn't take the name of a chartered accountant in vain to lend spurious "credibility" to his own, poisonous, ramblings?

That is scraping some barrell I must say,besides it is known Ms O Dowd has been very critical and questioning over the Mccann case before, she wrote a scathing article on KMs book in some Irish magazine, there is a link to it atthe bottom of the Accounts write up on the mccannfiles.com

I doubt very much indeed, that Nigel Moore wrote it and put her name on it ! as possible as tonights asteroid colliding with the earth.


Offline gilet

Re: Criticism of the Find Madeleine Fund and Review
« Reply #28 on: May 31, 2013, 10:08:26 PM »
Whats that to do with my post qnd question that you quoted, nothing at all

It has everything to do with the rampant hypocrisy in your postings.

As for the content of your post.

Do you not actually understand the pressure that the family was under in those first two weeks after the little girl had gone missing?

Do you not understand that people like John McCann were not in any way used to being interviewed on live television?

Do you not understand that they would have said anything and done anything to get little Madeleine back?

Are you utterly without empathy?

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Offline gilet

Re: Criticism of the Find Madeleine Fund and Review
« Reply #29 on: May 31, 2013, 10:10:23 PM »


Has the point been firmly established that Moore didn't take the name of a chartered accountant in vain to lend spurious "credibility" to his own, poisonous, ramblings?

That is scraping some barrell I must say,besides it is known Ms O Dowd has been very critical and questioning over the Mccann case before, she wrote a scathing article on KMs book in some Irish magazine, there is a link to it atthe bottom of the Accounts write up on the mccannfiles.com

I doubt very much indeed, that Nigel Moore wrote it and put her name on it ! as possible as tonights asteroid colliding with the earth.

Exactly, you have just made the point that Mrs. O'Dowd, who Bennett stupidly brought all the way to the High Court to unleash on Judge Tugendhat before he was told not to be so stupid, was not the independent and unbiased expert that she was touted as.

She had already proclaimed her views and was wholly biased against the McCanns.