Why not report the abduction at the Tapas Bar rather than Main Reception?

[icabodcrane]

Not really. Before I posted the figure of 2 minutes I did some research online and it is in fact very generous. 

Remember that the distance is actually not 400 metres but around 350 by the main road and 320 metres by the shortcuts.

Also remember that the route is over a significant part quite steeply downhill unlike a running track.

Thirdly, remember that Matthew was a fit individual used to regular exercise.

And finally look at these pages.

http://training.runinthesun.com/veterans_training.asp

http://www.menshealth.com/deltafit/400-meter-challenge

http://www.letsrun.com/forum/flat_read.php?thread=4427723

I prefer to have evidence for my posts rather than speculate.

Is there any evidence which suggests 2 minutes downhill for a distance of 350 metres is in fact excessive for a fit person?

There is evidence that the fastest man in the world ever over that distance took almost  a minute to run it   ...   he was in full sprint with no obstacles to negotiate

That is an indisputable fact

[sadie]

let's get our distances right:

I posted this, just, in the more or less parallel thread,
"Why not report the abduction at the Tapas Bar rather than Main Reception? "   
It needs to be here as well

This is being picky, but I think that it is important that we get the distances right, otherwise the wrong distance will become a myth. 

It was less than 275 yards by my measurements, and that is less than one sixth of a mile

ie less than a third of a mile there and back


Sorry to be so picky, but until I pointed out that measureing could be done using GE it was blatently lied by [ censored word] that the distance of the tapas from 5A was anything up to about 250 yards, whereas it is only about 50metres crow flies and 75 metres on foot. 

Even Kate got the distance wrong in her book cos there had been so much talk exagerating the distance that seemingly she believed it.

So please lets forget about the 400 yards, which is clearly not likely.

More likely 275 yards via the short cut

[icabodcrane]

let's getr our distances right:

I posteed this just in the more or less parallel thread.  It needs to be here as well

So please lets forget about the 400 yards, which is clearly not likely

Isn't there a sign outside the tapas area secondary reception saying  'Main reception 400 metres'  ?   ....  I'm sure there is,  if it's not on this thread then it's on the original one

[gilet]

There is evidence that the fastest man in the world ever over that distance took almost  a minute to run it   ...   he was in full sprint with no obstacles to negotiate

That is an indisputable fact

Not correct.

The actual time for 400 metres is 43 seconds so would be around 38 seconds or less for the distance in this debate.

But that is utterly irrelevant to the fact that average fit people can cover the distance in under two minutes.

The evidence is in the posts I have made.

[gilet]

Isn't there a sign outside the tapas area secondary reception saying  'Main reception 400 metres'  ?   ....  I'm sure there is,  if it's not on this thread then it's on the original one

There is such a sign and if you travel from the corner which is beyond Apartment 5A right into the car park of the Reception on the right hand side of the road as you would in Portugal the distance is 390 metres.

However that is not the distance any sane person would run. The pavement on the left is 350 metres.

No matter how much nit picking is done or how many ridiculous times the 8 minute to cover 350 metres downhill in a hurry is churned out, the fact remains that the distance can be covered by a fit person in under 2 minutes.

[sadie]

There is evidence that the fastest man in the world ever over that distance took almost  a minute to run it   ...   he was in full sprint with no obstacles to negotiate

That is an indisputable fact

I can remember Roger Bannister and the four minute mile years ago, so that is I minute for 440 yards.  Times have improved and shorter distances are run faster per yard.   

How long for 275 yards, Icabod?  THen I suggest we double that time because our runner aint Roger Bannister and the route is not straight (altho downhill)

[gilet]

let's get our distances right:

I posted this, just, in the more or less parallel thread,
"Why not report the abduction at the Tapas Bar rather than Main Reception? "   
It needs to be here as well

So please lets forget about the 400 yards, which is clearly not likely

Thank you Sadie. Not sure of the route you took but that is even less than the Google Earth measurement, possibly because you remained strictly on pavements and the GE measurement is very close to the road edges.

[sadie]

Perhaps I had better check it.  You have nmade me unsure.  Did it earlier today.   Hope I am remembering it properly

Will check immediately

[icabodcrane]

Before we continue with the debate about how long it would take to cover the distance,  I suppose we should verify what the distance is  ...  we have reached the point where it has now been reduced from 400 metres to 250 metres 

Where is John  ?  ...  he's good at this sort of stuff

[Eleanor]

Before we continue with the debate about how long it would take to cover the distance,  I suppose we should verify what the distance is  ...  we have reached the point where it has now been reduced from 400 metres to 250 metres 

Where is John  ?  ...  he's good at this sort of stuff

John is probably in a coma.  I nearly am.

[Redblossom]

Before we continue with the debate about how long it would take to cover the distance,  I suppose we should verify what the distance is  ...  we have reached the point where it has now been reduced from 400 metres to 250 metres 

Where is John  ?  ...  he's good at this sort of stuff

Might be 250 as crows fly
 >@@(*&)
 


Maybe they told a crow to go down there

[AnneGuedes]

Before we continue with the debate about how long it would take to cover the distance,  I suppose we should verify what the distance is  ...  we have reached the point where it has now been reduced from 400 metres to 250 metres 

Where is John  ?  ...  he's good at this sort of stuff

But Matthew wasn't jogging or doing a marathon, he was mainly trying to find Madeleine between bushes and shadows and stairs all along the path.
It was a good idea to go to the creche, because on the first night, when they all had dinner together at the Millenium, they first passed by the main reception. Madeleine could have remembered that.

[Redblossom]

But Matthew wasn't jogging or doing a marathon, he was mainly trying to find Madeleine between bushes and shadows and stairs all along the path.
It was a good idea to go to the creche, because on the first night, when they all had dinner together at the Millenium, they first passed by the main reception. Madeleine could have remembered that.

Millenium restaraunt was no where near main reception though anne was it, couldntt be further apart, one was down south the other far north

Eta ignore me, i forgot the first night theywent from one place to the other

[AnneGuedes]

Millenium restaraunt was no where near main reception though anne was it, couldntt be further apart, one was down south the other far north

I know, but likely because they weren't yet familiar with the place, having arrived a few hours before, they didn't go straight forward from the G5 to the Millenium, but met at the main reception from where they might have been driven by minibus to the Millenium.

[sadie]

Before we continue with the debate about how long it would take to cover the distance,  I suppose we should verify what the distance is  ...  we have reached the point where it has now been reduced from 400 metres to 250 metres 

Where is John  ?  ...  he's good at this sort of stuff

Me too, I am good at measuring.  John and I are both from roughly the same technical background.  I just cant post the GE images.

I have been yelling 50 metres from tapas to 5A, crow flies, for over3 years now, but I didn't know how to post the image... so no-one accepted my measurements unfortunately.

I have checked and from 5A gate to the reception.  It is 270 yards or slightly less.  That is cutting diagonally across the road and skimming corners as someone in a huge hurry might do.  I have used alleyways and taken the path right underneath the roundish green lawn as a short cut.

So 270 yards, but that is skimming corners, so lets be generous and say 275 yards


I suggest we settle on 275 yards.  Is that OK ?