Why not report the abduction at the Tapas Bar rather than Main Reception?

[gilet]

He implied that the Mini Club was accessed via Main Reception.

I did no such thing. I have asked five times now for any evidence of this claim.

Could you please back up this claim made in the above post.

[sadie]

What was the serious emergency exactly? snipped ...................................................  Jo served them at the tables and in the bar nightly, he even met then during the day and could speak English perfectly.  Jo was there when it all kicked off, he heard Kate scream from the balcony. snipped ............................................... He took part in searches.


The evidence from the staff reveals a situation of utter chaos.

It is there in your post John.  Everything.

What was the serious emergency exactly?

Jeez, John, if the closed window had been opened, the shutters raised ... and YOUR little one was missing from her bed, that wouldn't be a serious emergency?


he [Joe] heard Kate scream from the balcony ..... and ..... He took part in searches.

So he knew what was going on and took part in searches.  Was he searching when the nine left the Tapas?   Was he even there when Matt set off?   Do you know?  Editted  Having read gilets post, I now know that he was NOT there but being proactive by going to the reception (the obvious place!) and searching

Jeronimo

[b]At the point I left the Tapas I heard a scream from a woman I did not know. I do not know who screamed, but I had never heard a similar cry. I cannot even describe it but thought it had come from the child's mother. I went to the reception with one of the child care workers whose name I do not remember. One of the employees looked to be organizing the searches and told us the name of the child. We were sent to the beach zone and looked in all the alleys and called out the name of the child but did not find her. Later, we returned to the Tapas where we found John, the Manager of Mark Warner. [/b]

The evidence from the staff reveals a situation of utter chaos.

You bet there would be chaos.  You bet!

Bludy L .......Not a serious emergency?   

Pull the other one, John; it has bells on it ... LOL!

[Admin]

It is there in your post John.  Everything.

What was the serious emergency exactly?

Jeez, John, if the closed window had been opened, the shutters raised ... and YOUR little one was missing from her bed, that wouldn't be a serious emergency?


he [Joe] heard Kate scream from the balcony ..... and ..... He took part in searches.

So he knew what was going on and took part in searches.  Was he searching when the nine left the Tapas?   Was he even there when Matt set off?   Do you know?


The evidence from the staff reveals a situation of utter chaos.

You bet there would be chaos.  You bet!

Bludy L .......Not a serious emergency?   

Pull the other one, John; it has bells on it ... LOL!

Calm down Sadie.   Reception didn't consider it an emergency at all.

[Angelo222]

I did no such thing. I have asked five times now for any evidence of this claim.

Could you please back up this claim made in the above post.

Far be it for me to prolong this silliness but I have to agree Gilet you did agree rightly that the childrens club was above reception and then proceeded to post a map showing the shortcut there.  The following morning you then posted a different map showing that the childrens club (there are in fact two of them) are accessed using a walkway located around the corner in the car park.  I must say that reading the posts I also assumed that the childrens clubs were accessed via reception as nobody claimed any different.  I can therefore see why the confusion arose.

[gilet]

Calm down Sadie.   Reception didn't consider it an emergency at all.

Are you being serious?

How does the fact that the incompetent member of staff at Reception indicate in any way that the situation was not serious.

Do you not think a missing child is serious?

John Hill the manager and many other staff at OC seemed to think it serious.

[gilet]

Far be it for me to prolong this silliness but I have to agree Gilet you did agree rightly that the childrens club was above reception and then proceeded to post a map showing the shortcut there.  The following morning you then posted a different map showing that the childrens club (there are in fact two of them) are accessed using a walkway located around the corner in the car park.  I must say that reading the posts I also assumed that the childrens clubs were accessed via reception as nobody claimed any different.  I can therefore see why the confusion arose.

Please provide some evidence for this claim as I did no such thing.

My maps simply showed where RECEPTION was.

It was an entirely different poster who was claiming that Reception and The club were both off the entrance in the car park.

I repeat I never made the claim which now John and you have said I made.

Neither of you have offered any evidence that I made such a claim.

And my requests for that evidence have simply been deleted.

[Angelo222]

Please provide some evidence for this claim as I did no such thing.

My maps simply showed where RECEPTION was.

It was an entirely different poster who was claiming that Reception and The club were both off the entrance in the car park.

I repeat I never made the claim which now John and you have said I made.

Neither of you have offered any evidence that I made such a claim.

And my requests for that evidence have simply been deleted.

Its very simple but you are obviously unable to see it.  You posted a map showing where reception was and mentioned that the childrens club was located above it.  Ergo one naturally assumed as I did that the club and reception shared an access.  You later noticed the error when Sadie asked for a map realising that the clubs were served from an entrance in the main car park which John I believe had indicated in the first place.

As far as being biased is concerned I resent that comment and request you withdraw it.   I treat all members equally and have done so since this forum was formed.  Your aggression is very noticeable and is not conducive with the high standards of this forum.

[gilet]

Its very simple but you are obviously unable to see it.  You posted a map showing where reception was and mentioned that the childrens club was located above it.  Ergo one naturally assumed as I did that the club and reception shared an access.  You later noticed the error when Sadie asked for a map realising that the clubs were served from an entrance in the main car park which John I believe had indicated in the first place.

As far as being biased is concerned I resent that comment and request you withdraw it.   I treat all members equally and have done so since this forum was formed.  Your aggression is very noticeable and is not conducive with the high standards of this forum.

The childrens club IS SITUATED ABOVE RECEPTION. Directly above. Though the entrance is from the side in the carpark the club itself is as I stated correctly, above Reception.

That is not what John accused me of posting though. His claim was that I had stated/implied that the entrance to the Childrens Club was through Reception. I never made that claim ever nor implied it. Another poster implied that.

At no point did I ever change my personal position about the entrance to the Childrens club.

The second diagram (not a map at all) I posted showing the entrance to the club was at the side  and not by relation was in relation to the post by another poster who had claimed they were in the same place and as a correction to her post.

Your assumption was simply wrong. Assumptions like guesses so often are.

My post was 100% correct.

And yet I have been lambasted and laughed at by moderators here for being 100% correct and for simply asking for the evidence that I made the claim. Having never made the claim or implied as John stated I did that the entrance was through reception I would appreciate an apology.

I will consider withdrawing my claim of your bias when I have re-read the posts involved and when I have received an apology regarding the claims you and John made that I was wrong. I was not. It was your assumption that was wrong.

[Angelo222]

The childrens club IS SITUATED ABOVE RECEPTION. Directly above. Though the entrance is from the side in the carpark the club itself is as I stated correctly, above Reception.

That is not what John accused me of posting though. His claim was that I had stated/implied that the entrance to the Childrens Club was through Reception. I never made that claim ever nor implied it. Another poster implied that.

At no point did I ever change my personal position about the entrance to the Childrens club.

The second diagram I posted showing the entrance to the club was at the side  and not by relation was in relation to the post by another poster who had claimed they were in the same place and as a correction to her post.

Your assumption was simply wrong. Assumptions like guesses so often are.

My post was 100% correct.

And yet I have been lambasted and laughed at by moderators here for being 100% correct and for simply asking for the evidence that I made the claim. Having never made the claim or implied as John stated I did that the entrance was through reception I would appreciate an apology.

I will consider withdrawing my claim of your bias when I have re-read the posts involved and when I have received an apology regarding the claims you and John made that I was wrong. I was not. It was your assumption that was wrong.

There are two childrens clubs and they aren't just above reception as you claim so you are wrong yet again.  When you posted the maps initially you failed to identify the fact that the childrens clubs was not accessed via reception yet you claim to have known that information.  It wasn't until much later that you posted a hastily drawn map showing the walkway which leads to the childrens clubs.

You claim your post was correct but I dispute that as it led me to make an incorrect assumption only rectified much later when you realised your mistake.  We all make mistakes gilet but most of us are big enough as to admit to them.  I suggest you accept that your posts were misleading and move on.

[gilet]

There are two childrens clubs and they aren't just above reception as you claim so you are wrong yet again.  When you posted the maps initially you failed to identify the fact that the childrens clubs was not accessed via reception yet you claim to have known that information.  It wasn't until much later that you posted a hastily drawn map showing the walkway which leads to the childrens clubs.

You claim your post was correct but I dispute that as it led me to make an incorrect assumption only rectified much later when you realised your mistake.  We all make mistakes gilet but most of us are big enough as to admit to them.  I suggest you accept that your posts were misleading and move on.

Why are you posting such nonsense?

One of the childrens clubs is OVER THE RECEPTION as I claimed.

I posted a diagram showing that you walk up the steps from the carpark and turn back on yourself to access it.

My posts were NOT misleading and were in fact 100% CORRECT.

It was your ASSUMPTION about what I was posting and is now your lack of KNOWLEDGE about the location of the children's club which are at fault.

The reason I even bothered to post the diagram (not map) of the entrance of the childrens club was to correct a post by Anne Guedes (not my own post) in which she claimed that both the club and the reception  were accessed from the car park



For information, one children's club is above Reception and one is in the Tapas enclosure beyond the restaurant.

[Mrs. B]

We all make mistakes gilet but most of us are big enough as to admit to them.  I suggest you accept that your posts were misleading and move on.

Alternatively, if you're a Mod, you can just delete your offending posts & pretend you never wrote them. Like you do.

[Angelo222]

You are wrong again.  There were two childrens clubs on the 1st floor of that building and not just one and they weren't all above reception.  To go back to to your original gripe, you claim you didn't mislead anyone about the entrance to the club but you posted a route plan showing the route the McCanns would have taken to get to the club but you terminated it outside reception giving the impression that that was also the entrance to the club.  Fair do's gilet you got that wrong too.   

[AnneGuedes]

I sent the link to the PJ photos showing where was the entrance to the creches. I did it only because I didn't want posters to be misled.
Now I observe that the main reception entrance is again red arrowed on rua direita. Was it like this in 2007 ? I don't know, but in 2011 the large reception hall was on the car park.

[Angelo222]

I sent the link to the PJ photos showing where was the entrance to the creches. I did it only because I didn't want posters to be misled.
Now I observe that the main reception entrance is again red arrowed on rua direita. Was it like this in 2007 ? I don't know, but in 2011 the large reception hall was on the car park.

The Google imagery is from 22 June 2007 and August 2009.  They must have moved it Anne which accounts for the further confusion.  Great observation and well spotted!!     

[DCI]

Balderdash to borrow a term used by AN Other earlier.  The table was booked, not the time that they ate.

Bumped, for John. I Haven't posted all but they are all 8.30 bookings. Which you said was balderdash.

I see, so they kept table free for more than an hour, before meals were served. 9 spaces that wouldn't be used, BS.