Why not report the abduction at the Tapas Bar rather than Main Reception?

[sadie]

Might be 250 as crows fly
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Maybe they told a crow to go down there

  Good guestimation Red

275 yards = just over 251 metres for our foreign friends.

[sadie]

I know, but likely because they weren't yet familiar with the place, having arrived a few hours before, they didn't go straight forward from the G5 to the Millenium, but met at the main reception from where they might have been driven by minibus to the Millenium.

I dont know what makes you think that Anne.  have never seen a suggestion of it anywhere.

And it proved too much with the little ones.

Can you imagine trying to carry three crying overwrought kiddies back after the meal.... or persuading them to walk uphill to the millenium when they were zonked out ?  two would be difficult enough, but three !!!

[icabodcrane]

Me too, I am good at measuring.  John and I are both from roughly the same technical background.  I just cant post the GE images.

I have been yelling 50 metres from tapas to 5A, crow flies, for over3 years now, but I didn't know how to post the image... so no-one accepted my measurements unfortunately.

I have checked and from 5A gate to the reception.  It is 270 yards or slightly less.  That is cutting diagonally across the road and skimming corners as someone in a huge hurry might do.  I have used alleyways and taken the path right underneath the roundish green lawn as a short cut.

So 270 yards, but that is skimming corners, so lets be generous and say 275 yards


I suggest we settle on 275 yards.  Is that OK ?

I'm not convinced sadie  ...  just  looking at the map tells me that the distance between the McCann's apartment and the Main reception   is more than four times the distance between the apartment and the tapas bar

 

[Redblossom]

I'm not convinced sadie  ...  just  looking at the map tells me that the distance between the McCann's apartment and the Main reception   is more than four times the distance between the apartment and the tapas bar

definitely

[sadie]

But Matthew wasn't jogging or doing a marathon, he was mainly trying to find Madeleine between bushes and shadows and stairs all along the path.
It was a good idea to go to the creche, because on the first night, when they all had dinner together at the Millenium, they first passed by the main reception. Madeleine could have remembered that.

I dont understand that Anne.  Why would they go to the creche, and why did they go to the main reception.

How do you know he was mainly ltrying to find Madeleine, rather than running as fast as he could?

Are you trying to justify your eight minutes?

[sadie]

I'm not convinced sadie  ...  just  looking at the map tells me that the distance between the McCann's apartment and the Main reception   is more than four times the distance between the apartment and the tapas bar

Do it yourself then Icabod. 

I actually posted how to read distances on here before but for some reason it seems to have been taken down.  Such a useful tool

1)  Open GEarth.

2) identify the gate to 5A and identify the main reception [I suggest that you print the larger clearer map off from the forum, with these points clearly marked ... for reference]

3)  see the blue band across the top.  There is a short stubby rule standing up right on that blue band

4)  Click on this

5)  a box will come down.  In this instance you will need to click on 'path'

6)  Very carefully click on the gate to 5A

7) then very carefully click as close as you can to the various places that the route changes direction.  Work thru it , one by one, clicking at each change of direction.  I did the shortest route possible.  People cut corners, they dont waste steps when they are in a hurry

As you do it you will see that an increasing distance appears in the box, but it might be shown in feet or miles or what ever.  It is simple to change which measuring units you want.  I will leave you to work that out

Good luck.  It is a bit difficult to do the first time, but gets easier with practice.

By the way the reception is about 2/3 of the way along the main road front of the Reception building [Rua Direita from memory]

[AnneGuedes]

How do you know he was mainly ltrying to find Madeleine, rather than running as fast as he could?

1) empathy perhaps
2) telephone is faster
I volunteered to go up to the Millennium Restaurant because it was just one of the routes that I thought she might have taken, although I couldn't say why I thought she would because we'd only been there once on that night before and maybe she'd been for the restaurant

[sadie]

Phew, thanks for answering.
I was feeling a bit lonely .

Soz, I have been a bit busy.  Am very slow typing.

Yep I am not really sure either but as it is one area that I do have expertise in, I thought that I would contribute.

I cant stand incorrect info up either.  It's all to be with having been an engineer I think.  We worked from datums and to very precise measurements.

sadie x

[Redblossom]

It is bizarre that one would jog 400 metres and not just find someone to ring main reception,beforehand oh well, and matts rogatory interview is  pile of bull saying he was at main reception at five past ten when gerry says kate didnt comeback till 10 15!!!!!!

[gilet]

1) empathy perhaps
2) telephone is faster

But he had been given a specific task to deal with and the sooner that task was fulfilled the idea was the the search would be more comprehensive and would include professionals.

Putting myself in his position, at that moment his priority was to call the police and to get them involved. Of course, running/jogging down that hill and round the corner or along the path to the Reception he would have been looking in every possible direction as well.

It is madness to believe that he would, when given a vital task to fulfil, do what others were doing around him and spend time searching bushes.

[gilet]

It is bizarre that one would jog 400 metres and not just find someone to ring main reception, oh well

In your mind it may be but if I recall, even having "read the files" you still had no idea where Reception even was.

Oh well.

[AnneGuedes]

it was surreal when you got there, I said, you've got to phone the Police, a child's been taken, and they went, oh no, she's probably just  woken up and he thought she's probably  wandered off or something like that and you thought  maybe you're right, can you please, it was , it was kind of, it was sort a weird kind of lack of urgency, he'd ring, but you had to stand there and say, ring now, ring now, so I don't know if they rang at that point

[Redblossom]

it was surreal when you got there, I said, you've got to phone the Police, a child's been taken, and they went, oh no, she's probably just  woken up and he thought she's probably  wandered off or something like that and you thought  maybe you're right, can you please, it was , it was kind of, it was sort a weird kind of lack of urgency, he'd ring, but you had to stand there and say, ring now, ring now, so I don't know if they rang at that point

Matthew oldfield oh dear oh dear didnt even make sure police were called what a numpty Same as him IMAGINING all sorts of things in the mccanns flat that were not  there, I thnk SY should have a word

Nite all
 

[icabodcrane]

Do it yourself then Icabod. 

I actually posted how to read distances on here before but for some reason it seems to have been taken down.  Such a useful tool

1)  Open GEarth.

2) identify the gate to 5A and identify the main reception [I suggest that you print the larger clearer map off from the forum, with these points clearly marked ... for reference]

3)  see the blue band across the top.  There is a short stubby rule standing up right on that blue band

4)  Click on this

5)  a box will come down.  In this instance you will need to click on 'path'

6)  Very carefully click on the gate to 5A

7) then very carefully click as close as you can to the various places that the route changes direction.  Work thru it , one by one, clicking at each change of direction.  I did the shortest route possible.  People cut corners, they dont waste steps when they are in a hurry

As you do it you will see that an increasing distance appears in the box, but it might be shown in feet or miles or what ever.  It is simple to change which measuring units you want.  I will leave you to work that out

Good luck.  It is a bit difficult to do the first time, but gets easier with practice.

By the way the reception is about 2/3 of the way along the main road front of the Reception building [Rua Direita from memory]

I must say this sadie ...  I don't need to do calculations  ( or be an engineer )  to see that the distance between the McCann's apartment and the main reception is more than four times the distance of that between the apartment and the tapas bar

It is immediately clear at a glance of the  map   

[sadie]

Have you got a stretched screen?  One that is wider than average?