Why not report the abduction at the Tapas Bar rather than Main Reception?

[gilet]

Mr Salcedas was likely not offered to read his first statement before being interviewed, as the Tapas group was.

Any evidence for that or is it just a guess?

[AnneGuedes]

I have been given the opportunity to refresh my memory from the statement made by Jane TANNER (my wife) and I have been allowed to see these documents, this was done in the presence of DC 1578 GIERC. I wish to add that Jane’s statement covered our routine from the 28th April 2007-2nd May 2007 quite comprehensively and my original Portuguese statement referred to Jane’s statement, this was therefore a good point of reference for me.

[Redblossom]

John, the carrier didn't seem to be really in a hurry. At 10h he was only 450m far from the ADS/FGM T junction he crossed at 9h15.

Good point about the mccanns insinuating jane tanners man was the same as the smith man, as asserted in their so called cutting edge documentary, which was anythng BUT but a mishmash of misrepresented rubbish,  lying first of all that jane SAW the abductor, as if it was a fact, and that the smiths  might also have seen him, what a dumb abductor, he was just strolling around for best part of an hour plus be thick enough to go abduct  a child (whilst  previously watchng and planning exactly,) when the parent  was there,but has been the cleverest in history not to be caught, madness at best, a very very tall story , carlos the jackal aided and abbetted by a little old  cleaner from ocean club who nicked some keys, gnight sleuths


Oh and where did kate mccann get the idea that jane had seen the childs bare *arms*  as well as bare feet? as she stated in the oprah interview???
 >@@(*&)
jane never said this, she said in panorama and other interviews she only saw a pair of feet, the files released to the mccanns a year earlier than that interview as well mentioned no bare arms, licence to lie?

[amaraltheofficeboy]

what's that got to do with going to main reception or tapas?

[Benice]

John, the carrier didn't seem to be really in a hurry. At 10h he was only 450m far from the ADS/FGM T junction he crossed at 9h15.

No-one can say where he went or what he did in those 45 minutes - or where he went and what he did after the Smith sighting.

[AnneGuedes]

No-one can say where he went or what he did in those 45 minutes - or where he went and what he did after the Smith sighting.

I was only saying he wasn't in a hurry at least during 45 minutes, he was walking, not running !

[sadie]

Why shouldn't he remember? You seem to expect the McCann's and friends to remember.
Yes it is unreal what shite some people post, just like you have done.

So you say he didn't give a statement for nearly a year after Madeleine was abducted.

So what is this then?

Processos Volume II

Pages 233 to 238

Witness Statement

Jeronimo Tomas Rodrigues Salcedas

Date: 2007/05/06

Occupation: Barman / Waiter

Place of Work: Ocean Club

They would arrive for dinner according to daily bookings which they did themselves at the reception, he remembers the bookings were always made for 20.30 or 21.00. This booking could be made on the same day until 16.00, it was necessary to show proof of accommodation as well as the number of persons included in the booking. He says that the group arrived in phases but no long delays occurred.

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/J-T-R-Salcedas.htm


And his Rogatory, nearly a year later

I would normally see them during the day if I went to the complex for a swim, or when they were going to get their children for lunch in the zone next to the Tapas. Nothing in their behaviour called my attention. They dined in the restaurant every night from Sunday until Thursday when Madeleine disappeared. The table was booked then for 19H30 to 20H00. It was nine adults in total, four couples and an older woman who was also with them. I always found them educated, good clients. They appeared to get along well amongst each other and each time I served the table they would comment on the food. It was a happy group who would often laugh during dinner. There was a man who particularly stood out from the rest of the group as she spoke a lot and told many jokes. At this time, I did not know who he was, but later found out it was Madeleine McCanns father. Frequently, when I served the table I noticed that one or two elements of the group had left the restaurant. I could not imagine where they had gone to. After seeing the news stories, I figured that they had gone to check on their children. On some occasions, I also saw some infant monitors on the same table but never related this to the facts.

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/JERONIMO-SALCEDAS.htm

So the witness statement made at the time says 8.30 -9.00 pm

The one a year later says 7.30 - 8.00 pm

Guess which statement is likely to be correct.

[AnneGuedes]

The first statement is universally taken for the best.

[sadie]

The title of this thread is Re:  Why not report the abduction at the Tapas bar rather than Main Reception

This thread has been diverted everywhere rather than keep to what the thread is about.

Let's get back to basics. 

I have added more points to the path which allows for better cornering which a person in a hurry would certainly do.

The comparison between the two distances is very interesting.

In fact if Matthew knew of this shortcut then the difference between reporting at the Tapas bar and at Reception
would be only 194 yards or 179 metres

268 yards against 72 yards. 

245 metres against 66 metres.

So,
 the distance from 5A gate to OC Reception is about 268 -275 yards
The distance to the outside tapas is about 75 metres + the distance into the Tapas bar which is a permanent type building.  That is another 15 yards.= a total of 90 yards

It is unlikely that an electrical device liike a phone would be housed out side


So gilet was correct and erring on the side of being very circumspect when she gave her figures.

Well done gilet


Additionally we now know that Jeronimo (Joe) went to the main reception to report it.  So why didn't Jeronimo report it from the tapas bar?  Maybe there wasn't any phone there at all?

Some good it would have been going there !!!


We also have John confirming where the Reception was with the FOR LET/ FOR SALE notice in the window in, was it 2009.  This confirms its likely position in 2007 .  Thank you John for posting that photo.  Well done.


So now we have the reasons why Gerry made the right decision to go the main reception rather than the Tapas.

Well done Gerry.  Pity the guy on the desk was half asleep ... or maybe afraid of the Police, afraid to call them?  Jeez 

[sadie]

The first statement is universally taken for the best.

Thank you, Anne

[John]

Sadie, I thought you might like this graphic as the distance from 5a to the tapas appears to be in dispute so much.

[John]

John, the carrier didn't seem to be really in a hurry. At 10h he was only 450m far from the ADS/FGM T junction he crossed at 9h15.

Like many, I find it hard to believe that an abductor would still be wandering around Praia da Luz nearly an hour after taking a little girl from her bed.

[AnneGuedes]

Like many, I find it hard to believe that an abductor would still be wandering around Praia da Luz nearly an hour after taking a little girl from her bed.

So do I. And then ? Should we eliminate one carrier ?
I find it hard to believe Jane T consciously lied, but I'd admit she mixed up time.

[Benice]

Like many, I find it hard to believe that an abductor would still be wandering around Praia da Luz nearly an hour after taking a little girl from her bed.

But we don't know that he was wandering around.  He could have been holed up somewhere waiting for instructions.

The fact is no-one can say what happened during that time - or what he did after the Smith sighting,  mainly because we don't know the reason for her abduction in the first place. imo

[AnneGuedes]

But we don't know that he was wandering around.  He could have been holed up somewhere waiting for instructions.

Submitting half dressed Madeleine to pneumonia ?