Was the crime scene contaminated?

[gilet]

they shouldnt be spreading press myths then and in the next breath accusng others of doing so

In answer to the Op, again, the crime scene was contaminated before police got there, fact, but thats ok for some because it was a result of panic, forenaically aware dodtors would never let a whole bunch of people inside leaving their pawprints and hair and shoeprints all over the place, crime scene destroyed before police got there

There is a massive flaw in your argument.

The contamination that was recorded such as the pawprints and hair came from the dogs that the POLICE brought and not from the McCanns.

What forensic contamination is recorded in the files resulting from the McCanns? Can you provide any links please?

[amaraltheofficeboy]

red said before - there were 20 people in the apt before GNR arrived.

there was T9

therefore 11 people who contaminated the apt were not connected to the Mccanns.

I will go along with that as a fair assessment

[gilet]

red said before - there were 20 people in the apt before GNR arrived.

there was T9

therefore 11 people who contaminated the apt were not connected to the Mccanns.

I will go along with that as a fair assessment

So who were these 11 people and where in the files is there any evidence whatsoever of contamination by anyone other than the GNR?

Redblossom keeps making this claim that the apartment was trashed and contaminated before the police arrived. But where in the files is there any forensic evidence for that?

Is she just relying on the convicted liar Amaral for that information?

[amaraltheofficeboy]

they shouldnt be spreading press myths then and in the next breath accusng others of doing so

In answer to the Op, again, the crime scene was contaminated before police got there, fact, but thats ok for some because it was a result of panic, forenaically aware dodtors would never let a whole bunch of people inside leaving their pawprints and hair and shoeprints all over the place, crime scene destroyed before police got there

There is a massive flaw in your argument.

The contamination that was recorded such as the pawprints and hair came from the dogs that the POLICE brought and not from the McCanns.

What forensic contamination is recorded in the files resulting from the McCanns? Can you provide any links please?

Paw prints referred to PEOPLES prints, including the PAWprints of the tapas three or four who thought it  was an exxellent and timely idea to meddle withthe shutters that they thought the  abductor had used to gain entry, thats TAMPERING at best with evidence, and they decided to do this straight away, they should alll have had their ar ses out looking not tryng to solve a crime before police got there and ruining any evidence, LIKE IT MATTERED ghgen and there bow the bleedin abductor got in, PRIORITIES!!!!

so when their asses were out searching they should have been fighting to stop the 11 stranger asses from getting into the apt.

Interesting

[TTSOFAFM]

they shouldnt be spreading press myths then and in the next breath accusng others of doing so

In answer to the Op, again, the crime scene was contaminated before police got there, fact, but thats ok for some because it was a result of panic, forenaically aware dodtors would never let a whole bunch of people inside leaving their pawprints and hair and shoeprints all over the place, crime scene destroyed before police got there

I don't think so, because the PJ Specialist was rather upset about the GNR allowing people in and out of the apartment

When they arrived at the scene, which they immediately identified due to the presence of GNR officers, as well as quite a lot of people who were walking around the street searching for the child, they immediately went to the apartment in question, where they found several people, including some GNR officers, as well as the head of the Lagos GNR station. He states that the people inside the apartment and close to it, entered and left the building and circulated in the whole apartment, completely freely, in other words, without there being any restriction or care in preserving the scene.

 http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/JOAO_BARREIRAS.htm

And I will try and find it but there is a statement in the files where the GNR Sgt. told the officers on the scene to preserve the crime scene and they failed to do it.

Now the question you should be asking is why did those officers ignore a direct order?

[Redblossom]

they shouldnt be spreading press myths then and in the next breath accusng others of doing so

In answer to the Op, again, the crime scene was contaminated before police got there, fact, but thats ok for some because it was a result of panic, forenaically aware dodtors would never let a whole bunch of people inside leaving their pawprints and hair and shoeprints all over the place, crime scene destroyed before police got there

I don't think so, because the PJ Specialist was rather upset about the GNR allowing people in and out of the apartment

When they arrived at the scene, which they immediately identified due to the presence of GNR officers, as well as quite a lot of people who were walking around the street searching for the child, they immediately went to the apartment in question, where they found several people, including some GNR officers, as well as the head of the Lagos GNR station. He states that the people inside the apartment and close to it, entered and left the building and circulated in the whole apartment, completely freely, in other words, without there being any restriction or care in preserving the scene.

 http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/JOAO_BARREIRAS.htm

And I will try and find it but there is a statement in the files where the GNR Sgt. told the officers on the scene to preserve the crime scene and they failed to do it.

Now the question you should be asking is why did those officers ignore a direct order?

Irrelevant in the debate that it was the POLICE who allowed the crime  scene to be trashed, unless they were time travellers

[gilet]

Irrelevant in the debate that it was the POLICE who allowed the crime  scene to be trashed, unless they were time travellers

You have claimed that the apartment/crime scene was trashed before the police arrived.

However everyone can see that you have not backed that claim up with any evidence.

The only evidence in the files of any forensic contamination is from the police.

Can you show any forensic (or other) evidence of contamination by the McCanns or their friends?

[registrar]

lino is like a man, lay it riight and you can walk all over it
 

still, lino has nothng to do with the thread topic, flat5a crime scene was destroyed before police got there, FACT and you should find it disgusting that the police wereblamed for it in the british pathetic media

That's sexist in the extreme

I always suspected that you had an issue with males

But had I posted a sexist post like this aimed at women

I would expect to be banned immediately - and rightly so

Care to think of what admin make of this

[TTSOFAFM]

Redblossom, so if a Police Officer is given a direct order by their superior it is OK to ignore, in your eyes.  The Police DID NOT seal the crime scene, there is not dispute whatsoever.  If you wish to apportion blame on the McCann family and their friends there is nothing stopping you, but when you fail to see what the files actually say then I am afraid it rather does make the rest of your posting nonsensical.

It clearly states in the files this:

Sargeant Antonio Henrique Conceicao Duarte in his statement said

The witness, from the description and supposed seriousness of the facts related, ordered the immediate preservation of the scene, and said he would go to the site and communicate the facts to the PJ (this was done from the Post, he does not remember which officer did this but thinks it was Officer Patricio).

This was not carried out by those officers as it is clear from the PJ Specialist statement.

Now Redblossom, let me ask you again, what do you think about Police Officers ignoring a superior's orders?

[Redblossom]

lino is like a man, lay it riight and you can walk all over it
 

still, lino has nothng to do with the thread topic, flat5a crime scene was destroyed before police got there, FACT and you should find it disgusting that the police wereblamed for it in the british pathetic media

That's sexist in the extreme

I always suspected that you had an issue with males

But had I posted a sexist post like this aimed at women

I would expect to be banned immediately - and rightly so

Care to think of what admin make of this

Just laugh as most normal people would

[Redblossom]

Irrelevant in the debate that it was the POLICE who allowed the crime  scene to be trashed, unless they were time travellers

You have claimed that the apartment/crime scene was trashed before the police arrived.

However everyone can see that you have not backed that claim up with any evidence.

The only evidence in the files of any forensic contamination is from the police.

Can you show any forensic (or other) evidence of contamination by the McCanns or their friends?

thats  too sad for words,by the mccanns OWN admission they did and the PPs report did, carry onbeing desperate and twisting facts, you will ALWAYS fail because you are a liar x
 

So no evidence for your claims then just further allegations.

Why am I not surprised?

There are absolutely no lies in my post. Your claim that there are is simple abuse.

Any joy in themark warner sedurity thread no didnt think so

[gilet]

Excellent blog article which summarises and links to the evidence in the files which shows that the contamination and problems at the crime scene were largely the fault of the GNR officers.

http://madeleinemccannthetruth.wordpress.com/2011/06/28/preserving-that-crime-scene/

[Redblossom]

Excellent blog article which summarises and links to the evidence in the files which shows that the contamination and problems at the crime scene were largely the fault of the GNR officers.

http://madeleinemccannthetruth.wordpress.com/2011/06/28/preserving-that-crime-scene/

No one here is interested in biased sites and propaganda, ta

[gilet]

So, though she has frequently made the claim that the McCanns trashed the crime scene before the Police arrived she has abjectly failed to provide any evidence to back up that claim.

Why am I not surprised?

Perhaps the truth is she has none?

[gilet]

Excellent blog article which summarises and links to the evidence in the files which shows that the contamination and problems at the crime scene were largely the fault of the GNR officers.

http://madeleinemccannthetruth.wordpress.com/2011/06/28/preserving-that-crime-scene/

No one here is interested in biased sites and propaganda, ta

You have shown yourself up again. The fact is the article is entirely based on the PJ files.

Oh dear. When you cannot even be bothered to read the evidence how can you ever expect to get to the truth?