Amaral's OWN Private Investigation

[Mrs. B]

No, I think pretty much both the AG & Scotland Yard have dismissed Amaral's bonkers "theory". Mainly because it simply isn't consistent with known facts, which is a pretty persuasive reason to dismiss it IMO.

[gilet]

No theory is any more evidenced than another

So what is the evidence EQUAL to AT LEAST FOUR WITNESSES for the fridge theory? You said there was equal evidence. What is it?

And with regard to the dogs you seem to be forgetting completely that it was the expert dog handler Grime himself who said very clearly that no evidential reliabilty could be placed on their alerts without forensic confirmation. As there was no forensic confirmation then no the evidence of the dog alerts is by Grime's reckoning not unreliable.

[Benice]

Yes, it's totally impossible actually, unless you expect people to evaporate into thin air.

That is your personal belief and opinion  ...  to which you are perfectly entitled  ..  but is not  proof that Amaral's theory is  'impossible'

There is nothing, in fact,  in the way of evidence, that you can produce to prove that Amaral's theory is 'impossible'

...  nothing at all

I think you're missing the point Icab, which is that Amaral cannot produce a shred of evidence to prove his theory IS possible.

[icabodcrane]

No, I think pretty much both the AG & Scotland Yard have dismissed Amaral's bonkers "theory". Mainly because it simply isn't consistent with known facts, which is a pretty persuasive reason to dismiss it IMO.

Amaral's theory is unproven  (  I don't think it has ever been refered to as  'bonkers'  by any official source though ) 

...  in the same way the McCann's theory is unproven

[gilet]

I would also like someone to put even a half-hearted theory together which works with Amaral's fridge scenario.

I notice that he never managed to put one together. Odd that as it was the crux of his theory.

But lets see the anti McCann posters try instead.

[gilet]

No, I think pretty much both the AG & Scotland Yard have dismissed Amaral's bonkers "theory". Mainly because it simply isn't consistent with known facts, which is a pretty persuasive reason to dismiss it IMO.

Amaral's theory is unproven  (  I don't think it has ever been refered to as  'bonkers'  by any official source though ) 

...  in the same way the McCann's theory is unproven

What evidence for the fridge EQUAL to four witnesses exists for the fridge?

[icabodcrane]

Yes, it's totally impossible actually, unless you expect people to evaporate into thin air.

That is your personal belief and opinion  ...  to which you are perfectly entitled  ..  but is not  proof that Amaral's theory is  'impossible'

There is nothing, in fact,  in the way of evidence, that you can produce to prove that Amaral's theory is 'impossible'

...  nothing at all

I think you're missing the point Icab, which is that Amaral cannot produce a shred of evidence to prove his theory IS possible.

Not missing the point at all Benice  ...  I am fully aware that there is no  'hard evidence'  that proves Amaral's theory is correct 

Just as there is no  'hard evidence'  that proves the McCann's theory is correct

The 'point'  is that neither theory can be  disproven

[Benice]

No, I think pretty much both the AG & Scotland Yard have dismissed Amaral's bonkers "theory". Mainly because it simply isn't consistent with known facts, which is a pretty persuasive reason to dismiss it IMO.

Amaral's theory is unproven  (  I don't think it has ever been refered to as  'bonkers'  by any official source though ) 

...  in the same way the McCann's theory is unproven

Amarals theory is unproven because he can't prove it  - as he does not have an iota of evidence.  Nothing.  Zilch.
 
The sightings are proven because we have the the witnesses statements which prove them - and they ARE evidence of a possible abduction.

How can you say they are both the same?

[gilet]

Yes, it's totally impossible actually, unless you expect people to evaporate into thin air.

That is your personal belief and opinion  ...  to which you are perfectly entitled  ..  but is not  proof that Amaral's theory is  'impossible'

There is nothing, in fact,  in the way of evidence, that you can produce to prove that Amaral's theory is 'impossible'

...  nothing at all

I think you're missing the point Icab, which is that Amaral cannot produce a shred of evidence to prove his theory IS possible.

Not missing the point at all Benice  ...  I am fully aware that there is no  'hard evidence'  that proves Amaral's theory is correct 

Just as there is no  'hard evidence'  that proves the McCann's theory is correct

The 'point'  is that neither theory can be  disproven

If there is no "hard evidence" which supports the fridge theory then what "soft" evidence is there?

Actually I think you are wrong and that witnesses (particularly independent) witnesses if not "hard" evidence are considered as pretty dammed good evidence.

[gilet]

No, I think pretty much both the AG & Scotland Yard have dismissed Amaral's bonkers "theory". Mainly because it simply isn't consistent with known facts, which is a pretty persuasive reason to dismiss it IMO.

Amaral's theory is unproven  (  I don't think it has ever been refered to as  'bonkers'  by any official source though ) 

...  in the same way the McCann's theory is unproven

Amarals theory is unproven because he can't prove it  - as he does not have an iota of evidence.  Nothing.  Zilch.
 
The sightings are proven because we have the the witnesses statements which prove them - and they ARE evidence of a possible abduction.

How can you say they are both the same?

It is really interesting watching posters pushing these bizarre unrealistic claims as far as they can.

Icabodcrane is deliberately avoiding the issue.

There is clear, good evidence of a possible abductor. Namely the witnesses, at least four excellent witnesses mostly entirely independent of the family.

There is absolutely not one item of evidence in favour of the fridge theory. And he is avoiding at all costs the demands for him to say what this nothingness actually is in his mind.

Yet he bizarrely claims that this nothingness (he has had plenty of opportunity to say what it is but has not done so) is equal to four living witnesses who saw the person who was carrying a child and has never been identified.

It makes you laugh actually at the effort needed by them to keep pushing NOTHINGNESS as evidence.

[icabodcrane]

No, I think pretty much both the AG & Scotland Yard have dismissed Amaral's bonkers "theory". Mainly because it simply isn't consistent with known facts, which is a pretty persuasive reason to dismiss it IMO.

Amaral's theory is unproven  (  I don't think it has ever been refered to as  'bonkers'  by any official source though ) 

...  in the same way the McCann's theory is unproven

Amarals theory is unproven because he can't prove it  - as he does not have an iota of evidence.  Nothing.  Zilch.
 
The sightings are proven because we have the the witnesses statements which prove them - and they ARE evidence of a possible abduction.

How can you say they are both the same?

That's not true Benice   

The McCann's have the fact that two men were seen carrying a child that night

Amaral has the fact that a cadaver dog alerted in the apartment where the missing child was last seen

Both pieces of evidence are  questionable ...  but both exist 

[gilet]

I would also like someone to put even a half-hearted theory together which works with Amaral's fridge scenario.

I notice that he never managed to put one together. Odd that as it was the crux of his theory.

But lets see the anti McCann posters try instead.

No anti has ever put a credible theory together.
Strange that.

Not even the great Goncalo himself has ever put a theory forward which makes any sense of the fridge.

Not just strange but blinking incredible as its his theory.

Anyway I am sure Icabodcrane is just teasing and is about to post up both the EVIDENCE for the fridge and a credible theory how it all happened.

[gilet]

No, I think pretty much both the AG & Scotland Yard have dismissed Amaral's bonkers "theory". Mainly because it simply isn't consistent with known facts, which is a pretty persuasive reason to dismiss it IMO.

Amaral's theory is unproven  (  I don't think it has ever been refered to as  'bonkers'  by any official source though ) 

...  in the same way the McCann's theory is unproven

Amarals theory is unproven because he can't prove it  - as he does not have an iota of evidence.  Nothing.  Zilch.
 
The sightings are proven because we have the the witnesses statements which prove them - and they ARE evidence of a possible abduction.

How can you say they are both the same?

That's not true Benice   

The McCann's have the fact that two men were seen carrying a child that night

Amaral has the fact that a cadaver dog alerted in the apartment where the missing child was last seen

Both pieces of evidence are  questionable ...  but both exist

So Grime says the alerts are not to be relied upon and yet you give the dog alerts equal credence to four or more independent witnesses to a potential abductor.

Clearly you are one clever fellow. You know better than the dog handler himself.

But dog alerts do not evidence the fridge. What is the evidence for the FRIDGE?

[icabodcrane]

I would also like someone to put even a half-hearted theory together which works with Amaral's fridge scenario.

I notice that he never managed to put one together. Odd that as it was the crux of his theory.

But lets see the anti McCann posters try instead.

No anti has ever put a credible theory together.
Strange that.

Not even the great Goncalo himself has ever put a theory forward which makes any sense of the fridge.

Not just strange but blinking incredible as its his theory.

Anyway I am sure Icabodcrane is just teasing and is about to post up both the EVIDENCE for the fridge and a credible theory how it all happened.

I have no intention, means, or inclination to  'prove' Amaral's theory

My point is,  that you can't  disprove it

In the same way that those who question the McCanns cannot disprove the abductor theory

[registrar]

Amaral turned his (then) fat bottom in his bed after he was made co-ordinator of the case

No need to rush down to Luz - that'll keep

It was only when Amaral saw the juggernaut of international media hit Luz - literally scores of trucks with satellite dishes, a little local affair - suddenly turning global!

That's when the man started panicking

And the wonder dogs were the last resort to save his reputation - to ill effect as we know

Macho bevaviour is rife in these parts - and NO -  Goncalo was not going to be outdone by a pretty, blonde English doctor of medicine,

not being a great fan of Kate - that book was ill-advised at best

But Amaral DID meet his match in her 

Good on you Kate