Amaral's OWN Private Investigation

[registrar]

I would also like someone to put even a half-hearted theory together which works with Amaral's fridge scenario.

I notice that he never managed to put one together. Odd that as it was the crux of his theory.

But lets see the anti McCann posters try instead.

No anti has ever put a credible theory together.
Strange that.

Not even the great Goncalo himself has ever put a theory forward which makes any sense of the fridge.

Not just strange but blinking incredible as its his theory.

Anyway I am sure Icabodcrane is just teasing and is about to post up both the EVIDENCE for the fridge and a credible theory how it all happened.

I have no intention, means, or inclination to  'prove' Amaral's theory

My point is,  that you can't  disprove it

In the same way that those who question the McCanns cannot disprove the abductor theory

I can't disprove that Madeleine wasn't whisked away by air balloon, or by aliens - but common sense tells me that isn't what happened.   

With respect Icab - IMO that is what is lacking in your 'argument' - i.e. the application of simple 'common sense'.   

Something which I have noticed is invariably absent in most Sceptics' assertions at every level of this case.

Let's deal with this post point by point

'common sense' is not as common as all that, it's a rare commodity

That's the pattern and it goes like a red thread through all these forums - be sceptical of G&K and their child care arrangements -

And get browbeaten by DM reading minnies - telling you not be ghastly to the poor suffering parents

They are suffering - no doubt they are - but they invoked a PR machine within less of 24 hours of Madeleine's disappearance - which they themselves called 'Team McCann'

They created that monster - let's not have tiny tears purleeze

[Mrs. B]

Perhaps it would be an interesting exercise to use known statements from Amaral to piece together exactly WHAT his theory consist of & compare that to known facts, witness statements, info etc from the case files?

[Carana]

Forget the freezer, just a work hypothesis obviously, and let's concentrate on what joins both theories, the child carrier. Any doubt about his existence ?

It's wasn't just a working hypothesis for Amaral, though.


"The cadaver was frozen"

Correio da Manhã - What do you think happened to the body?

Gonçalo Amaral – Everything indicated that the body, after having been at a certain location, was moved into another location by car, twenty something days later. With the residues that were found inside the car, the little girl had to have been transported inside it.

How can you state that?

Due to the type of fluid, we policemen, experts, say that the cadaver was frozen or preserved in the cold and when placed into the car boot, with the heat at that time [of the year], part of the ice melted. On a curb, for example, something fell from the trunk's right side, above the wheel. It may be said that this is speculation, but it's the only way to explain what happened there.
http://www.mccannfiles.com/id139.html

Indeed, Carana.  And this is one of the stupidest comments I have ever heard from an adult, never mind a senior police officer!

He and his team mates seem to have had selective reading syndrome.

With the residues that were found inside the car, the little girl had to have been transported inside it.

10-Processo 10 - 2615 to 2616
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Letter dated 11 September regarding FSS report received by PJ
on on 4 September from Leicester Police, citing 15/19 matches of Madeleine DNA
profile

This serves to add [to the case file] a laboratory examination report prepared
in England, written in English and translated into Portuguese, delivered to this
police force on 4 September 2007 by English police officer Stuart Prior.

This laboratory report tells about the examinations made of two trace evidence
recoveries, one behind the living room sofa in apartment 5A and the other in the
boot area of the vehicle used by the McCann family, hired [by them] from the end of May this year.

In some of these recoveries (samples) DNA was found whose components are also
found in the profile of Madeleine McCann.

With respect to the trace evidence recovered behind the sofa all the confirmed
DNA components coincide with corresponding components in the DNA profile of
Madeleine McCann.

In the sample collected in the boot area of the vehicle, 15 of the identified
DNA components coincide with the corresponding components in the DNA profile of
Madeleine McCann, this of [having] 19 components.

Portimao, 11 September 2007
Inspector
Joao Carlos


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 See also Madeleines DNA
10- Processo 10 - VOLUME Xa; PDF page 123-124; Case file pages 2617-2618.
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Task Portugal
From: "Prior Stuart" <Stuart.Prior@leicestershire.pnn.police.uk>
To: "Task Portugal" <Task.Portugal@leicestershire.pnn.police.uk>
Sent: 04 September 2007 10:14
Subject: FW: Op Task - in Confidence

From: Lowe, Mr J R [mailto:John.Lowe@fss.pnn.police.uk
Sent: 03 September 2007 15:01
To: stuart.prior@leicestershire.pnn.police.uk
Subject: Op Task - In Confidence

Stuart

Firstly, here are the last three results you are expecting

An incomplete DNA result was obtained from cellular material on the swab 3a. The swab contained very little information and showed low level indications of DNA from more than one person. However, all of the confirmed DNA components within this result match the corresponding components in the DNA profile of Madeline McCann. LCN DNA profiling is highly sensitive it is not possible to attribute this DNA profile to a particular body fluid.

There is no evidence to support the view that Madeline MCCann contributed DNA to the swab 3B.

A complex LCN DNA result which appeared to have originated from at least three people was obtained from cellular material recovered from the luggage compartment section 286C 2007 CRL10 (2) area 2. Within the DNA profile of Madeline McCann there are 20 DNA components represented by 19 peaks on a chart. At one of the areas of DNA we routinely examine Madeleine has inherited the same DNA component from both parents; this appears therefore as 1 peak rather than 2, hence 19 rather than 20. Of these 19 components 15 are present within the result from this item; there are 37 components in total. There are 37 components because there are at least 3 contributors; but there could be up to five contributors. In my opinion therefore this result is too complex for meaningful interpretation/inclusion.

Why - ...

Well lets look at the question that is being asked

"Is there DNA from Madeline on the swab "

It would be very simple to say "yes" simply because of the number of components within the result that are also in her reference sample.

What we need to consider, as scientists, is whether the match is genuine and legitimate; because Madeline has deposited DNA as a result of being in the car or whether Madeline merely appears to match the result by chance. The individual components in Madeline's profile are not unique to her, it is the specific combination of 19 components that makes her profile unique above all others. Elements of Madeline's profile are also present within the the profiles of many of the scientists here in Birmingham, myself included. it's important to stress that 50% of Madeline's profile will be shared with each parent. It is not possible in a mixture of more than two people, to determine or evaluate which specific DNA components pair with each other. Namely, we cannot separate the components out into 3 individual DNA profiles.

Therefore, we cannot answer the question: is the match genuine or is it a chance match.

The same applies to any result that is quoted as being too complex for meaningful inclusion/interpretation

What questions will we never be able to answer with LCN DNA profiling -

When was the DNA deposited -
How was the DNA deposited -
What body fluid(s) does the DIVA originate from -
Was a crime committed -

These, along with all other results, will be formalised in a final report

Please don't hesitate to contact me if you require any further assistance

kind regards
John

[Carana]

Perhaps it would be an interesting exercise to use known statements from Amaral to piece together exactly WHAT his theory consist of & compare that to known facts, witness statements, info etc from the case files?

I think that would make for a very interesting thread, Mrs B. Or perhaps several.

[AnneGuedes]

I can't disprove that Madeleine wasn't whisked away by air balloon, or by aliens - but common sense tells me that isn't what happened.   

With respect Icab - IMO that is what is lacking in your 'argument' - i.e. the application of simple 'common sense'.   

Something which I have noticed is invariably absent in most Sceptics' assertions at every level of this case.

Benice, the "alien" hypothesis doesn't seem operative, common sense or not. The child carrier wasn't green nor blue nor yellow, just a human being walking like you and me, carrying a child everybody thought was his.
Gonçalo Amaral doesn't deny the existence of this man !

[sadie]

I can't disprove that Madeleine wasn't whisked away by air balloon, or by aliens - but common sense tells me that isn't what happened.   

With respect Icab - IMO that is what is lacking in your 'argument' - i.e. the application of simple 'common sense'.   

Something which I have noticed is invariably absent in most Sceptics' assertions at every level of this case.

Benice, the "alien" hypothesis doesn't seem operative, common sense or not. The child carrier wasn't green nor blue nor yellow, just a human being walking like you and me, carrying a child everybody thought was his. Gonçalo Amaral doesn't deny the existence of this man !

 carrying a child everybody thought was his.   Just a minority of very vocal and rather nasty minded peeps think this Anne.  Most people do NOT as is shown by opinion poll

[AnneGuedes]

everybody who saw him, obviously.

[Mrs. B]

The alien abductor could have been a shape-shifting lizard - it's a theory that simply cannot be disproved.

Yes, true & since Bennett & his fans seemingly now have taken up permanent residency at  David Icke's Conspiracy Central HQ, the likelihood of that theory popping up is higher than ever before.

[Benice]

Perhaps it would be an interesting exercise to use known statements from Amaral to piece together exactly WHAT his theory consist of & compare that to known facts, witness statements, info etc from the case files?

I think that would make for a very interesting thread, Mrs B. Or perhaps several.

Excellent idea.

[Mrs. B]

everybody who saw him, obviously.

Would you kindly point out where in Aoife or Peter Smith's statements this information appears, I cannot seem to find it?

[sadie]

everybody who saw him, obviously.

You are obviously very desperate Anne to make such untrue assertions.  Prove it.

[Benice]

I would also like someone to put even a half-hearted theory together which works with Amaral's fridge scenario.

I notice that he never managed to put one together. Odd that as it was the crux of his theory.

But lets see the anti McCann posters try instead.

No anti has ever put a credible theory together.
Strange that.

Not even the great Goncalo himself has ever put a theory forward which makes any sense of the fridge.

Not just strange but blinking incredible as its his theory.

Anyway I am sure Icabodcrane is just teasing and is about to post up both the EVIDENCE for the fridge and a credible theory how it all happened.

I have no intention, means, or inclination to  'prove' Amaral's theory

My point is,  that you can't  disprove it

In the same way that those who question the McCanns cannot disprove the abductor theory

I can't disprove that Madeleine wasn't whisked away by air balloon, or by aliens - but common sense tells me that isn't what happened.   

With respect Icab - IMO that is what is lacking in your 'argument' - i.e. the application of simple 'common sense'.   

Something which I have noticed is invariably absent in most Sceptics' assertions at every level of this case.

Let's deal with this post point by point

'common sense' is not as common as all that, it's a rare commodity

That's the pattern and it goes like a red thread through all these forums - be sceptical of G&K and their child care arrangements -

And get browbeaten by DM reading minnies - telling you not be ghastly to the poor suffering parents

They are suffering - no doubt they are - but they invoked a PR machine within less of 24 hours of Madeleine's disappearance - which they themselves called 'Team McCann'

They created that monster - let's not have tiny tears purleeze

If common sense was such a rare commodity - then IMO the human race would have been extinct long ago.

Sorry Registrar, but I don't see the relevance of the rest of your post to mine. 

p.s. what or who is DM please?

[Angelo222]

JT didn't see a little girl, but legs.
The pink blanket dog and the towel sniffer dogs didn't follow JT carrier, nor the Smith carrier. That's weird.

It isn't weird in the least Anne.  Madeleine never touched the ground, she was always about 4 foot above it.  Sniffer dogs cannot follow an air scent unless the trail is hot.  Too much time had transpired before the dogs were brought in.  In the end they followed Madeleine's scent down the road to a point opposite the secondary reception, a route she would have walked in order to get to the mini club.

[Mrs. B]

The below may be of interest re. the Portuguese dogs used

His dog's speciality is patrolling (Maintenance of Public Order) although the dog also has some training in "tracking".


http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/CARLOS-LACAO.htm

[Angelo222]

My own opinion of amaral is that his theory is bonkers.  He thought he had his perps and was gleefully awaiting the forensics to charge them when his entire world collapsed and he was forced to back pedal pronto with his waggly tail dangling behind.  We know that Amaral was a bully and a thug from his prosecution.  He stood back and allowed that poor woman to be beaten and then tried to pass it off as an accident.  He tried to get Kate to cop a plea but she wasn't having any of it.  Had ther not have been such a media interest in the case undoubtedly Kate would have ended up with black eyes and bruises as well.

Amaral's theory is bullshit, pure and simple.  The silly drunk is stuck with it now though so he is dammed if he does and dammed if he doesn'(.  Karma IMO!!   

PS Dogs can only track a cold trail if the persons feet touch the ground.  Ever see Cool Hand Luke?