Amaral's OWN Private Investigation

[sadie]

JT didn't see a little girl, but legs.
The pink blanket dog and the towel sniffer dogs didn't follow JT carrier, nor the Smith carrier. That's weird.

It isn't weird in the least Anne.  Madeleine never touched the ground, she was always about 4 foot above it.  Sniffer dogs cannot follow an air scent unless the trail is hot.  Too much time had transpired before the dogs were brought in.  In the end they followed Madeleine's scent down the road to a point opposite the secondary reception, a route she would have walked in order to get to the mini club.

Angelo, you have got that in a nutshell .  Exactly my thoughts, but better put.

Even the dogs that were used a few days afterwards followed that same air trail we are told, yet it had been very gusty, the dogs were ground scent dogs ... and Madeleines actual feet had trodden some of that pathway the very day she was abducted

Sorry to use bad language but the PT dogs trails are Boll**.  At best it is a dog 'cock up' and at worst, a false trail was laid.

It is my belief that either

1)  A false trail was left
2)  The dogs were not really scent trail dogs
3)  The trail the dogs showed was the route that the lifter took, probably as he was approaching the apartment prior to the abduction ... and the scent was picked up from Madeleines cuddle blanket which the lifter had handled

The fact that Madeleines towel was supposedly used for the second scent trail done later (several days later?) does rather point to some interference by ?PJ. 

Cos what is certain is that no dog would follow such an air scent several days later, when his expertise is ground scent and Madeleine had walked across certian sectors of that route the very day she went missing


PT dogs = Bo***x

QED

Please correct me if I have any facts wrong.  Thanks

[TTSOFAFM]

Section B of the Archiving Dispatch mentions the use of the tracker dogs and states that they were not up to the challenge as they are trained to work more in rural areas than urban or populated areas.

http://mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/LEGAL_SUMMARY.htm

At 08.00 the GNR Search and Rescue sniffer dog team came into action, searches were begun from the resort in the direction of the beach, covering a 2 km area; in Praia da Luz 300m radius searches were made as well searches of abandoned houses, wells and waste land, the radius subsequently being expanded to 600m including the verges of the EN 125 motorway.
 
Subsequently an attempt was made to reconstruct the route taken by Madeleine by giving the dogs a blanket/towel used by her, but the results were not significant, given that the dogs are more trained for use in rural areas rather than urban or populated areas, the existence of more odours in the air making it impossible for the tracker dog to identify/locate the “target smell”.

[gilet]

Section B of the Archiving Dispatch mentions the use of the tracker dogs and states that they were not up to the challenge as they are trained to work more in rural areas than urban or populated areas.

http://mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/LEGAL_SUMMARY.htm

At 08.00 the GNR Search and Rescue sniffer dog team came into action, searches were begun from the resort in the direction of the beach, covering a 2 km area; in Praia da Luz 300m radius searches were made as well searches of abandoned houses, wells and waste land, the radius subsequently being expanded to 600m including the verges of the EN 125 motorway.
 
Subsequently an attempt was made to reconstruct the route taken by Madeleine by giving the dogs a blanket/towel used by her, but the results were not significant, given that the dogs are more trained for use in rural areas rather than urban or populated areas, the existence of more odours in the air making it impossible for the tracker dog to identify/locate the “target smell”.

Oh dear. So Amaral managed to muster photographers who forgot to take the most important photos, fingerprint experts who he says were not really expert and now dogs who were not up to the task.

Did the Portuguese have any decent resources to use in this case or was everything sub-standard?

[AnneGuedes]

everybody who saw him, obviously.

Would you kindly point out where in Aoife or Peter Smith's statements this information appears, I cannot seem to find it?

Are you suggesting they thought they saw an abductor ?

[gilet]

everybody who saw him, obviously.

Would you kindly point out where in Aoife or Peter Smith's statements this information appears, I cannot seem to find it?

Are you suggesting they thought they saw an abductor ?

I doubt anyone at the time of their sighting thought they saw an abductor.

Firstly, they had no idea a child had been abducted so that suspicion would not have been in their minds.

Secondly, at least some of them actually tell us they thought it was a man carrying his own child maybe back from the creche.

And thirdly if they thought it was an abductor don't you think they would have done something at the very moment they saw him?

[AnneGuedes]

JT didn't see a little girl, but legs.
The pink blanket dog and the towel sniffer dogs didn't follow JT carrier, nor the Smith carrier. That's weird.

It isn't weird in the least Anne.  Madeleine never touched the ground, she was always about 4 foot above it.  Sniffer dogs cannot follow an air scent unless the trail is hot.  Too much time had transpired before the dogs were brought in.  In the end they followed Madeleine's scent down the road to a point opposite the secondary reception, a route she would have walked in order to get to the mini club.

Sorry, Angelo, but this isn't true. You don't have to touch the ground for molecules to fall down from your body on the ground according to gravity principle.
The first dog, the one who "spoiled" the crime scene with its hairs because, by norm, the tracker dog must start from the last point where the missing person was seen, in this case Madeleine's bedroom, well this first dog, Numi, a patrol dog with a bit of tracking training, didn't hesitate and turned around the G5, whereas its colleague, a pure patrol dog, didn't react at all.
This occurred about 4 hours after Madeleine had gone.
The following day, Rex, an expert sniffer dog from the GNR national school, followed the same track as Numi, 24 hours after Madeleine had gone. A third dog from the GNR school followed also the same route (but could have followed Rex track in case of hesitation, see how GNR handlers are honest !).
Then Rex was sent on the trail 8 days after and again did the same route.
The only way to make sure the child wouldn't have left scent was to wrap her or put her in a holdall for example. We know the carrier didn't.

[Mrs. B]

everybody who saw him, obviously.

Would you kindly point out where in Aoife or Peter Smith's statements this information appears, I cannot seem to find it?

Are you suggesting they thought they saw an abductor ?

No, I'm asking you to clarify your below statement & my question was where exactly in the statements of the above witnesses do they state that they thought it was "his child" - I simply can't seem to find that.

"The child carrier wasn't green nor blue nor yellow, just a human being walking like you and me, carrying a child everybody thought was his. "

[AnneGuedes]

everybody who saw him, obviously.

Would you kindly point out where in Aoife or Peter Smith's statements this information appears, I cannot seem to find it?

Are you suggesting they thought they saw an abductor ?

No, I'm asking you to clarify your below statement & my question was where exactly in the statements of the above witnesses do they state that they thought it was "his child" - I simply can't seem to find that.

"The child carrier wasn't green nor blue nor yellow, just a human being walking like you and me, carrying a child everybody thought was his. "

There you are, Mrs B :
He (Martin S) notes that it is normal to see people carrying children, especially during the holiday season. This individual was walking the downward path, in the opposite direction. He is not aware where this person was headed. He only saw him as they passed each other. He assumed it was a father and daughter and thought nothing more of it.
The carrier was too old to be an elder brother and too young to be a grand father, hence Martin S "assumed it was a father". What's interesting is that Martin S saw no abnormality in the carrier's behaviour, nothing violent or weird, this is why he "thought nothing more of it".
I find it positive : the carrier wasn't a monster.

[gilet]

My own opinion of amaral is that his theory is bonkers.  He thought he had his perps and was gleefully awaiting the forensics to charge them when his entire world collapsed and he was forced to back pedal pronto with his waggly tail dangling behind.  We know that Amaral was a bully and a thug from his prosecution.  He stood back and allowed that poor woman to be beaten and then tried to pass it off as an accident.  He tried to get Kate to cop a plea but she wasn't having any of it.  Had ther not have been such a media interest in the case undoubtedly Kate would have ended up with black eyes and bruises as well.

Amaral's theory is bullshit, pure and simple.  The silly drunk is stuck with it now though so he is dammed if he does and dammed if he doesn'(.  Karma IMO!!   

PS Dogs can only track a cold trail if the persons feet touch the ground.  Ever see Cool Hand Luke?

Seriously, are you citing a movie as evidence?
Is there any actual scientific evidence that this is the case?

[Mrs. B]

So when did Mr. Smith become "everybody"? I can't see any of the OTHER witnesses stating they thought that & THAT was my question.

[Mrs. B]

My own opinion of amaral is that his theory is bonkers.  He thought he had his perps and was gleefully awaiting the forensics to charge them when his entire world collapsed and he was forced to back pedal pronto with his waggly tail dangling behind.  We know that Amaral was a bully and a thug from his prosecution.  He stood back and allowed that poor woman to be beaten and then tried to pass it off as an accident.  He tried to get Kate to cop a plea but she wasn't having any of it.  Had ther not have been such a media interest in the case undoubtedly Kate would have ended up with black eyes and bruises as well.

Amaral's theory is bullshit, pure and simple.  The silly drunk is stuck with it now though so he is dammed if he does and dammed if he doesn'(.  Karma IMO!!   

PS Dogs can only track a cold trail if the persons feet touch the ground.  Ever see Cool Hand Luke?

Seriously, are you citing a movie as evidence?
Is there any actual scientific evidence that this is the case?

According to the files, the Portuguese dogs were tracker dogs though, not air sniffing dogs. I've been looking for any credible source where it states they are able to track people who are being carried by others, but I can't seem to find any. How much skin cells are likely to fall to the ground if a small person is being carried by another person? Isn't it more likely cells get attached to the person carrying?

[AnneGuedes]

So when did Mr. Smith become "everybody"? I can't see any of the OTHER witnesses stating they thought that & THAT was my question.

Jane T had this feeling too, otherwise she would have alerted, wouldn't she have ?  Or do you doubt her ? BTW Jane T is the only person I saw sobbing in this mysterious case. Everybody who saw the carrier thought he was a normal person carrying most likely his child, none of them found him weird and predator like. These people can't be blamed.
Have you already carried other people's children in the middle of the night, Mrs B ?
Kids, when sleeping, want their dad or mum, nobody else. Unless they're sedated of course.

Now, if you have a link to one of the 1 + 5 witnesses stating he/she doubted the carrier was a father, please kindly send it !

[AnneGuedes]

How much skin cells are likely to fall to the ground if a small person is being carried by another person? Isn't it more likely cells get attached to the person carrying?

The carrier had shoes, the child none.

[Mrs. B]

It is YOU who have stated "everybody" thought the carrier was the father, is it not? I have not stated that at all. I agree that Mr. Smith apparently made that comment, but as far as I can see, NOBODY else did.

& I'm sorry but I'm not even getting the point about the carrying other people's sleeping children. If that was Madeleine that was seen by the Smith group, nobody AFAIK has suggested that she would be sleeping a natural sleep, without first having been subdued in one way or the other.

[Mrs. B]

How much skin cells are likely to fall to the ground if a small person is being carried by another person? Isn't it more likely cells get attached to the person carrying?

The carrier had shoes, the child none.

So how much of those skin cells would have attached themselves to the clothes of the person carrying the child? Is there a study somewhere we can check?