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Offline gilet

Re: Amaral's OWN Private Investigation
« Reply #120 on: June 04, 2013, 02:51:52 PM »
How much skin cells are likely to fall to the ground if a small person is being carried by another person? Isn't it more likely cells get attached to the person carrying?
The carrier had shoes, the child none.

So how much of those skin cells would have attached themselves to the clothes of the person carrying the child? Is there a study somewhere we can check?

I am led to believe the evidence may be in the film "Cool Hand Luke".
Not that, personally, I put much credence in fiction but...


AnneGuedes

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Re: Amaral's OWN Private Investigation
« Reply #121 on: June 04, 2013, 03:01:26 PM »
How much skin cells are likely to fall to the ground if a small person is being carried by another person? Isn't it more likely cells get attached to the person carrying?
The carrier had shoes, the child none.

So how much of those skin cells would have attached themselves to the clothes of the person carrying the child? Is there a study somewhere we can check?
The legs were described as limp.
Have you an idea about the way to sedate a close to 4yrs old in a nutshell ?
A thread could be opened on this topic.
The sniffer dogs always choose the fresher track.
What about the route around the building ? Madeleine followed it 2 ? days before.
The sniffer dogs seem to indicate she left the flat. Not compatible with Jane T's sighting but eventually with the Smith's sighting.
Just a possibility.

Offline Mrs. B

Re: Amaral's OWN Private Investigation
« Reply #122 on: June 04, 2013, 03:10:13 PM »
Can you please provide some cites for your claims about tracker dogs in ref. to carrying other people, or isn't there any? I've honestly been looking but I simply can't find any that state what you claim.

& yes, I have a fairly good idea of how to sedate children & adults in a closed environment - something quite frequently done by burglars in our area, unfortunately.
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AnneGuedes

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Re: Amaral's OWN Private Investigation
« Reply #123 on: June 04, 2013, 03:33:50 PM »
Can you please provide some cites for your claims about tracker dogs re to carrying other people, or isn't there any? I've honestly been looking but I simply can't find any that state what you claim.

& yes, I have a fairly good idea of how to sedate children & adults in a closed environment - something quite frequently done by burglars in our area, unfortunately.
I'll try to find some serious article mentioning this, Mrs B. I had a long talk with a friend of friends who is a handler in France, as, like you, thought a carried person wouldn't liberate sufficient molecules to the ground or rather the carried person's scent would be mixed up with the carrier's scent. But he denied it.
Burglars do sedate people ? You don't mean stun guns ? Can you please inform us ?

Offline Mrs. B

Re: Amaral's OWN Private Investigation
« Reply #124 on: June 04, 2013, 03:43:42 PM »
Can you please provide some cites for your claims about tracker dogs re to carrying other people, or isn't there any? I've honestly been looking but I simply can't find any that state what you claim.

& yes, I have a fairly good idea of how to sedate children & adults in a closed environment - something quite frequently done by burglars in our area, unfortunately.
I'll try to find some serious article mentioning this, Mrs B. I had a long talk with a friend of friends who is a handler in France, as, like you, thought a carried person wouldn't liberate sufficient molecules to the ground or rather the carried person's scent would be mixed up with the carrier's scent. But he denied it.
Burglars do sedate people ? You don't mean stun guns ? Can you please inform us ?

No, they're much more efficient, they use gas generally.

Offline Eleanor

Re: Amaral's OWN Private Investigation
« Reply #125 on: June 04, 2013, 04:12:30 PM »
Can you please provide some cites for your claims about tracker dogs re to carrying other people, or isn't there any? I've honestly been looking but I simply can't find any that state what you claim.

& yes, I have a fairly good idea of how to sedate children & adults in a closed environment - something quite frequently done by burglars in our area, unfortunately.
I'll try to find some serious article mentioning this, Mrs B. I had a long talk with a friend of friends who is a handler in France, as, like you, thought a carried person wouldn't liberate sufficient molecules to the ground or rather the carried person's scent would be mixed up with the carrier's scent. But he denied it.
Burglars do sedate people ? You don't mean stun guns ? Can you please inform us ?

http://www.cmjornal.xl.pt/detalhe/noticias/nacional/portugal/gang-mata-e-fere-idosos-em-rou

AnneGuedes

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Re: Amaral's OWN Private Investigation
« Reply #126 on: June 04, 2013, 04:15:00 PM »

No, they're much more efficient, they use gas generally.
Gas ? You mean like the desflurane ? Gosh, but isn't that dangerous ?

Offline Mrs. B

Re: Amaral's OWN Private Investigation
« Reply #127 on: June 04, 2013, 04:18:39 PM »

No, they're much more efficient, they use gas generally.
Gas ? You mean like the desflurane ? Gosh, but isn't that dangerous ?

Of course it's dangerous, victims may never wake up again, but criminals don't seem to think that matters much.

AnneGuedes

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Re: Amaral's OWN Private Investigation
« Reply #128 on: June 04, 2013, 04:34:11 PM »

Of course it's dangerous, victims may never wake up again, but criminals don't seem to think that matters much.
Are you sure ? I mean not about the risk taken, but about this kind of gas ? How can burglars get that sort of stuff ? Not possibly on the Web. Where ?

Offline Mrs. B

Re: Amaral's OWN Private Investigation
« Reply #129 on: June 04, 2013, 04:43:56 PM »
Yes, I'm quite sure, but as I'm NOT part of the itinerant criminal gangs who rob people where I live, I don't know how they get hold of what they use, but apparently it's not that difficult.
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Offline Puffin

Re: Amaral's OWN Private Investigation
« Reply #130 on: June 04, 2013, 04:46:41 PM »
Yes, I'm quite sure, but as I'm part of the itinerant criminal gangs who rob people where I live, I don't know how they get hold of what they use, but apparently it's not that difficult.
Anything, legal or illegal, can be obtained if you know where to go and who to ask and, of course, if you have the money.
Truth is the property of no individual but is the treasure of all men.
Ralph Waldo Emerson

Offline muratfan

Re: Amaral's OWN Private Investigation
« Reply #131 on: June 04, 2013, 04:56:59 PM »
http://www.cmjornal.xl.pt/detalhe/noticias/nacional/portugal/gang-mata-e-fere-idosos-em-roubos



Abrantes: Two crimes at a distance of 800 meters clash population
Gang kills and injures elderly thefts
Umbelina Ignatius, 83, was intoxicated with ether and died yesterday in hospital at dawn. At the same time, neighbor couple was also beaten

A group of robbers raided two houses where seniors live, in the early morning of yesterday and the day before yesterday - having caused the death of a woman, intoxicated with ether, and a couple serious injuries. The two houses are 800 meters apart in Chainça, Abrantes.
The first attack, at dawn yesterday, was the home of two elderly sisters. Umbelina and Maria do Carmo Ignatius, 83 and 90, were asleep when the hooded men broke down the door and entered the house. The youngest resisted the robbers and was attacked with a rag with ether. Went into cardiopulmonary arrest and eventually did not resist, at night, in the Hospital de Castelo Branco.
Still looking for redo population Chainça from the shock caused by the death of Ignatius Umbelina since another violent attack occurred in the same village, the home of Laurinda and Luis Pereira, 77 and 78 year-old former emigrants in France.
Little was after 2:00 a.m. yesterday when four masked men entered the victims' house, at a time when the elderly walked the walk. Was brutally assaulted with a broomstick and punch and kick, into unconsciousness.
"He was dead in a pool of blood and covered in clothes," he said yesterday at the CM son, Rui Gonçalves. At the same time, the elder was gagged and hands tied, without leaving the bed. Still struggled for half an hour with the assailants who fumbled however everything.
When the CM found, stole a pair of gold earrings and 200-300 euros to the elderly couple. Already in the house of the two sisters have not stolen anything. In both situations, acted early, masked and gloved, and chose elderly were violent. The two crimes are investigated by PJ de Leiria

Offline Mrs. B

Re: Amaral's OWN Private Investigation
« Reply #132 on: June 04, 2013, 04:58:16 PM »
Yes, I'm quite sure, but as I'm part of the itinerant criminal gangs who rob people where I live, I don't know how they get hold of what they use, but apparently it's not that difficult.
Anything, legal or illegal, can be obtained if you know where to go and who to ask and, of course, if you have the money.

Of course & it's no big secret either, they've been using this method for years. Every summer there are new cases.

AnneGuedes

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Re: Amaral's OWN Private Investigation
« Reply #133 on: June 04, 2013, 04:59:38 PM »
Yes, I'm quite sure, but as I'm part of the itinerant criminal gangs who rob people where I live, I don't know how they get hold of what they use, but apparently it's not that difficult.
Well, this is the first time I read this. Do you think the risk of killing can ever be worth the stolen stuff (because such an attack has to be premeditated) ? A killing burglar goes to jail forever and forever has to live with the idea he/she killed someone.
I admit they use ether or chloroform which have immediate but short effects (though they're not benign if incorrectly administrated, to begin with the administrator), but gas !

Offline Mrs. B

Re: Amaral's OWN Private Investigation
« Reply #134 on: June 04, 2013, 05:05:16 PM »
Surely you're not telling me that robbery is an unusual motive for killing people? It happens all of the time & all over the world.