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Offline TTSOFAFM

Who's up for a game of Perjury?
« on: June 04, 2013, 01:54:40 PM »
We all know that Goncalo Amaral ended up in court and convicted of a crime because of his ability to lie, and we know that Sofia Leal has mislead people into thinking those documents were false, when the truth is they were authenticated, admitted as evidence and mentioned in the court judgement; so please tell me why would five Inspectors and a Police Officer put their careers at risk, by saying NO, when asked the following question?

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“Was anything said or done by Kate or Gerry McCann in your presence or during your contacts that may have raised any suspicion that they had knowledge of what happened to Madeleine, besides the circumstances described to the Portuguese investigators? “

Offline Mrs. B

Re: Who's up for a game of Perjury?
« Reply #1 on: June 04, 2013, 02:26:06 PM »
Interesting question, they were obviously not willing to perjure themselves (or they're "in on it").

Offline gilet

Re: Who's up for a game of Perjury?
« Reply #2 on: June 04, 2013, 02:28:33 PM »
Would that be the UK liaison officers or am I thinking of something else?

Offline Benice

Re: Who's up for a game of Perjury?
« Reply #3 on: June 04, 2013, 02:38:38 PM »
Would that be the UK liaison officers or am I thinking of something else?

I was thinking of them too.

They are rarely mentioned, and yet they are the people who were most likely to be able to ascertain any suspicious behaviour from the McCanns.  Not only would they have spent a lot of time with them but they are specificaly trained to observe.  I believe it was the FLO in the Shannon Matthews case who first noticed behaviour from her mother which was not in keeping with what you would expect from the mother of an abducted child.

The FLO officers in the McCann case found nothing suspicious at all.

I also think the very experienced Trauma specialist  Alan Pike, who spent a lot of time with them, counselling  them,  would have very quickly picked up any unusual or untoward behaviour from the McCanns.    He didn't find anything suspicious either.


 
The notion that innocence prevails over guilt – when there is no evidence to the contrary – is what separates civilization from barbarism.    Unfortunately, there are remains of barbarism among us.    Until very recently, it headed the PJ in Portimão. I hope he was the last one.
                                               Henrique Monteiro, chief editor, Expresso, Portugal

Offline TTSOFAFM

Re: Who's up for a game of Perjury?
« Reply #4 on: June 05, 2013, 10:22:50 AM »
Yes Gilet it is the UK Family Liaison Officers, family liaison officers  People who were with the McCanns, trained officers who did NOT think the McCanns behaviour was suspicious.

As Mrs.B said in the eyes of the anti-McCanns, they must have been 'in on it' because for the life of me I can't see why Police Officers would risk their careers, their pensions in order to commit perjury, can you?

Interesting article about the Family Liaison Officer in the Shannon Matthews case and how her suspicions were raised about Karen Matthews

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/woman/real_life/2228957/Family-liaison-officer-tells-truth-about-Karen-Matthews-confession.html

I take it that the Officers, sent to Portugal, would have had the same training as the Officer mentioned in the Sun Article, yet they were NOT suspicious of the McCanns one little bit.



Offline faithlilly

Re: Who's up for a game of Perjury?
« Reply #5 on: June 05, 2013, 10:37:31 AM »
Yes Gilet it is the UK Family Liaison Officers, family liaison officers  People who were with the McCanns, trained officers who did NOT think the McCanns behaviour was suspicious.

As Mrs.B said in the eyes of the anti-McCanns, they must have been 'in on it' because for the life of me I can't see why Police Officers would risk their careers, their pensions in order to commit perjury, can you?

Interesting article about the Family Liaison Officer in the Shannon Matthews case and how her suspicions were raised about Karen Matthews

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/woman/real_life/2228957/Family-liaison-officer-tells-truth-about-Karen-Matthews-confession.html

I take it that the Officers, sent to Portugal, would have had the same training as the Officer mentioned in the Sun Article, yet they were NOT suspicious of the McCanns one little bit.

Yet the Portuguese FLO was. So how do we square that circle ?
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Let’s count the months, shall we?

Offline Benice

Re: Who's up for a game of Perjury?
« Reply #6 on: June 05, 2013, 11:37:36 AM »
Yet the Portuguese FLO was. So how do we square that circle ?

Is there a witness statement available fom that officer Faithlilly?
I've never seen one - but that doesn't  mean it doesn't exist of course.
TY.
The notion that innocence prevails over guilt – when there is no evidence to the contrary – is what separates civilization from barbarism.    Unfortunately, there are remains of barbarism among us.    Until very recently, it headed the PJ in Portimão. I hope he was the last one.
                                               Henrique Monteiro, chief editor, Expresso, Portugal

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Re: Who's up for a game of Perjury?
« Reply #7 on: June 05, 2013, 11:50:50 AM »
Is there a witness statement available fom that officer Faithlilly?
I've never seen one - but that doesn't  mean it doesn't exist of course.
TY.

Just a note to Amaral, Benice.

Ricardo Paiva message to Gocalo Amaral
Processo Vol 10 Page 2641

The translation below is literal - word-for-word - as close as I can make it.
The essence of the note is that:
- information had been received - informally - by the PT authorities from the UK laboratory before 14 Sept;
- a formal, but partial, Forensic Report dated 7 August has now been received [SEE NOTE BELOW];
- differences exist between the informal and the formal information received in Portugal;
- those differences arose due to an unspecified error on the part of the laboratory, and therefore
- the English authorities suggest that the Portuguese authorities wait for the final report
- which will be delivered when all the forensic tests are completed [at some unspecified date in the future].


[NOTE that the cited report date of 7 August is impossible because the material being examined was only delivered to the laboratory in UK on that date. That date may, for that reason, have been in Paiva's mind when writing the memo.
The English report attached to the memo is dated 06 September 2007.
If there was a formal report, albeit partial, prior to this one of 6 September, it has not been found in the DVD.]
- - - - - - - - - -


Service Information dated 14 September 2007 relating to the Forensic Report from laboratory examinations.

--- In the course of the investigation running in terms of the scope of the Inquiry identified above, in which is being investigated the disappearance of Madeleine McCann, there were made by the Forensic Laboratory of Birmingham, in England, DNA profile analyses of samples collected by this Police force.
--- The partial results of those forensic analyses were being communicated to this Police force by Detective Superintendent Stuart Prior, member of the Leicestershire Police legation, through e-mails originating in that laboratory and from a partial Forensic Report dated 07 August 2007.
--- However, it was verified that due to error by that laboratory, in the cited Forensic Report there exist inconsitencies with that previously reported by a forensic specialist in the e-mails received by Superintendent Stuart Prior, the reason for which, it was by the English authorities, suggested that it is awaited for the Final Report of the laboratory, to be delivered to this Police force upon the conclusion of the laboratorial forensic analyses that presently are still in execution.
--- Hence, I remit to you, Sir, the above Forensic Report in English, accompanied by its translation, for purposes you deem appropriate.

Inspector
Ricardo Paiva.

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/RICARDO_PAIVA.htm
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Offline Benice

Re: Who's up for a game of Perjury?
« Reply #8 on: June 05, 2013, 11:58:47 AM »
Are we at cross purposes here DCI ? - I was enquiring about a witness statement by the Portuguese FLO who apparently found the McCanns behaviour suspicious.

(your link doesn't work for me)  8(8-))
The notion that innocence prevails over guilt – when there is no evidence to the contrary – is what separates civilization from barbarism.    Unfortunately, there are remains of barbarism among us.    Until very recently, it headed the PJ in Portimão. I hope he was the last one.
                                               Henrique Monteiro, chief editor, Expresso, Portugal

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Re: Who's up for a game of Perjury?
« Reply #9 on: June 05, 2013, 12:01:37 PM »
Are we at cross purposes here DCI ? - I was enquiring about a witness statement by the Portuguese FLO who apparently found the McCanns behaviour suspicious.

(your link doesn't work for me)  8(8-))

No Bernice, that is him.

Paiva, the McCanns' family liaison officer.

Bit more about him, he's the dream expert  @)(++(*

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/kate-mccann-made-a-suspect-in-maddy-194499
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Re: Who's up for a game of Perjury?
« Reply #10 on: June 05, 2013, 12:12:47 PM »
No Bernice, that is him.

Paiva, the McCanns' family liaison officer.

Bit more about him, he's the dream expert  @)(++(*

And another one who,  wrote a book about Madeleine.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/kate-mccann-made-a-suspect-in-maddy-194499

Ahh I see it all now! Thanks DCI - sorry about that. 

 
The notion that innocence prevails over guilt – when there is no evidence to the contrary – is what separates civilization from barbarism.    Unfortunately, there are remains of barbarism among us.    Until very recently, it headed the PJ in Portimão. I hope he was the last one.
                                               Henrique Monteiro, chief editor, Expresso, Portugal

Offline faithlilly

Re: Who's up for a game of Perjury?
« Reply #11 on: June 05, 2013, 12:37:09 PM »
Paiva? A man of questionable judgment (to say the very least!)

Questionable ? How so ?
Brietta posted on 10/04/2022 “But whether or not that is the reason behind the delay I am certain that Brueckner's trial is going to take place.”

Let’s count the months, shall we?

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Re: Who's up for a game of Perjury?
« Reply #12 on: June 05, 2013, 01:43:32 PM »
No Bernice, that is him.

Paiva, the McCanns' family liaison officer.

Bit more about him, he's the dream expert  @)(++(*

And another one who,  wrote a book about Madeleine.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/kate-mccann-made-a-suspect-in-maddy-194499

Whats the name of the book?

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Re: Who's up for a game of Perjury?
« Reply #13 on: June 05, 2013, 01:56:08 PM »
Whats the name of the book?

My apologies, Red, I was wrong  8()-000(

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Re: Who's up for a game of Perjury?
« Reply #14 on: June 05, 2013, 02:09:09 PM »
My apologies, Red, I was wrong  8()-000(

Removed offending remark!

No worries, I just wondered as I didnt recall that he had ever written a book