Who's up for a game of Perjury?

[TTSOFAFM]

So what? They said NO, no one has said they said YES, so null and defunct point surely right  from the start

Oh and when did these officers go out? They wouldnt have been there right at the tme that gnr and pj were would they?

Why is it null and defunct?  If FLO's arrived in Portugal and the McCanns did not raise suspicions in them, then it proves that they were not suspected of harming their daughter or disposing of her body, like Amaral and others want to promote.

I think those statements are of value and worth and are not null and defunct.

If you are comparing the time span between Madeleine disappearing and the FLO's arriving, how the hell can Amaral say they acted suspiciously, he never met them, in those early days?  And if my memory serves me correctly he didn't meet Kate face to face until the Lisbon Court Hearing.

[Redblossom]

Why is it null and defunct.  If FLO's arrived in Portugal and the McCanns did not raise suspicions in them, then it proves that they were not suspected of harming their daughter or disposing of her body, like Amaral and others want to promote.

I think those statements are of value and worth and are not null and defunct.

Its null and defunct because no one said the FLOS said YES and perjury never came into any discussion, ever, only when you started this thread

[gilet]

So what? They said NO, no one has said they said YES, so null and defunct point surely right  from the start

Oh and when did these officers go out? They wouldnt have been there right at the tme that gnr and pj were would they?

Five UK police say yes.

Remind us please who says NO? 

Is there any evidence this person even exists or could it just be a fictional invention of Duarte Levy? Mail article and the word of Duarte Levy versus 5 UK cops with sworn statements. Not really a contest is it?

As for your final question.  The UK liaison officers travelled to Portugal early on 5th May and were with the family less than 48 hours after the disappearance. They were not there for those first few hours, of course, but after that spent far, far, far more time with the McCanns than any PJ or GNR officer did, especially Amaral who I believe never even met them.

[gilet]

Its null and defunct because no one said the FLOS said YES and perjury never came into any discussion, ever, only when you started this thread

The reason people start threads is to bring things into discussion. That is the purpose of the forum.

A claim that the sworn witness statements of British Police officers are "null and defunct", whatever that may precisely mean, should be backed up by evidence.

It seems rather far-fetched to claim such a thing when you, yourself go and bring a news article with no corroboration other than the word of a known liar as evidence.

Some hypocrisy there I think.

Why do people dismiss sworn statements of police officers whose jobs would be on the line if they lied and prefer to believe newspapers which we know lie, Levy who we know lies and Amaral who was convicted of lying?

Perhaps one of the people doing this could explain?

[faithlilly]

First this diplomat story is rather off topic in a thread about the police officers.

But it is interesting that you have cited a news article as evidence. Not only is this just a Daily Mail news article but it is one which appears to be based entirely on the claims of one Duarte Levy, that great friend of Amaral. Levy is a liar. Remember those photos? Even Joana Morais called him a cheat and a liar. :)

So to challenge the clear and unmistakeable evidence from 5 British police officers you have cited a totally uncorroborated news story which emerged from Derniere Heure (which is nothing but a blog) which the liar Levy ran.

Why am I not surprised?

What to believe? The signed and sworn statements of five British police officers or the unreliable words in a news article sourced from a liar who is a friend of Amaral who was convicted of lying?

Hard one isn't it.

And you don't think the McCanns may have tried not to raise any suspicion,especially in the presence of the police officers ? Or perhaps that it may have been difficult for the FLOs to differentiate between the grief of losing a child and the grief of having a child abducted ?  >@@(*&)

[Benice]

And you don't think the McCanns may have tried not to raise any suspicion,especially in the presence of the police officers ? Or perhaps that it may have been difficult for the FLOs to differentiate between the grief of losing a child and the grief of having a child abducted ?  >@@(*&)

Faithlilly, if the McCanns were such vile, cruel, callous people that they could dispose of their dead childs body -as if it was nothing more than an inconvenient bag of rubbish,  then they would know nothing about the meaning of grief in the first place.   

[faithlilly]

Faithlilly, if the McCanns were such vile, cruel, callous people that they could dispose of their dead childs body -as if it was nothing more than an inconvenient bag of rubbish,  then they would know nothing about the meaning of grief in the first place.   

I have heard any ridiculous things on this forum in my time but that about takes the biscuit 

[Benice]

I have heard any ridiculous things on this forum in my time but that about takes the biscuit 

Well I can only think that I must have misunderstood your post in which I thought you were saying that the McCanns were expressing grief because they knew their daughter was dead.  If you were not saying that then what were you saying?

[AnneGuedes]

It still doesn't answer my question though does it Redblossom, why would FLO categorically say NO to a question asking whether they saw any suspicious behaviour and risk committing perjury?

You can throw as many letters into the pot as you like, but surely the role of a Family Liaison Officer, apart from helping a family through a traumatic time, is to look for signs that the people they are helping are a) telling the truth and b) whether they could be involved in what has happened.

And it is clear from those statements that the Family Liaison Officers did not have any suspicions about the McCanns, so again why would they commit perjury?  Doesn't that tell the [ censored word] something?  Doesn't that tell the [ censored word] that officers who are trained  and  in contact with the McCann, family did not suspect them of a heinous crime?

When did these FLO arrive in PDL ? How long did they stay ?  What kind of opportunity they had to observe the McCann family ? Why did 2 of them consider important to add something to the generally neutral statement ?
It never crossed my mind they were sort of spies.

[Benice]

When did these FLO arrive in PDL ? How long did they stay ?  What kind of opportunity they had to observe the McCann family ? Why did 2 of them consider important to add something to the generally neutral statement ?
It never crossed my mind they were sort of spies.

Can I ask you what YOU think the role of Family Liaison Officers are Anne?

[Chinagirl]

The Family Liaison officers arrived in PdL the day after the abduction.  For the role that FLOs play in these kind of crimes, Google brings up a number of sites where this function is explained.

http://www.acpo.police.uk/documents/criminaljustice/2009/200909CJUFLO01.pdf

Edited to add link - CG

 

[gilet]

When did these FLO arrive in PDL ? How long did they stay ?  What kind of opportunity they had to observe the McCann family ? Why did 2 of them consider important to add something to the generally neutral statement ?
It never crossed my mind they were sort of spies.

They arrived in PDL on 5th May less than 48 hours after the disappearance.

They spent very lengthy periods of time with the McCanns. They were often seen in photographs accompanying the McCanns whilst walking in the town. Their duties are very wide ranging but include supporting the victims in all kinds of ways from making cups of tea upwards. The document linked to is very clear also that the FLO is always a police officer and has strict duties in the case of suspicion of the family's involvement in the crime (or any other crime for that matter).

Normally an FLO has this role as part of their duties but In the case of these particular FLOs, they were in PDL with a single role and as such would be able to spend even longer than normal with the McCanns.

It is very clear why they felt they should add something to the statement. Because they had something to add. Not really so strange is it?

Its normal practice in the UK for witnesses to be asked if they want to add to or alter anything in their statement after they read it before signing. It gives them the opportunity to read over it and change anything if necessary.

[Mrs. B]

I have heard any ridiculous things on this forum in my time but that about takes the biscuit 

Perhaps you should go back & read some of your own posts, hardly seen so much rubbish & speculation anywhere.

[AnneGuedes]

Can I ask you what YOU think the role of Family Liaison Officers are Anne?

Sorry, Benice, I read this only now : I think a FLO is a go-between. Isn't s(h)e ?

[AnneGuedes]

The Family Liaison officers arrived in PdL the day after the abduction.  For the role that FLOs play in these kind of crimes, Google brings up a number of sites where this function is explained.

http://www.acpo.police.uk/documents/criminaljustice/2009/200909CJUFLO01.pdf

Edited to add link - CG

 

Many thanks, Chinagirl, but I couldn't read more than 20 pages, no time, no patience as well. This reading raised nevertheless more questions than it answered. Why so many FLO and why none being fluent in Portuguese ?