Ricardo Paiva, "Kate McCann had a dream where she saw Maddie on a hillside"

[faithlilly]

Because she didn't?  Or even say such to Paiva?

Paiva attempted to put this across as Guilt because Kate had killed Madeleine.  What did you expect Gerry to say just after he had heard this bizarre revelation in Court?  Which everyone else had heard.

Paiva is a plonker if he thinks guilt can be established on a dream.  Hardly a scientific conclusion, is it.

Do you think Pavia is lying Eleanor ?

[Eleanor]

Do you think Pavia is lying Eleanor ?

I think that Paiva bent the truth in an attempt to support his Boss.  Sadly, it was a stupid thing to do.

[faithlilly]

I think that Paiva bent the truth in an attempt to support his Boss.  Sadly, it was a stupid thing to do.

Why would he bend the truth ?

[Alfred R Jones]

Do you think Pavia is lying Eleanor ?

do you think Kate's dream is evidence of guilt?

[Eleanor]

You didn't answer my question Eleanor.

How can I possibly answer that?  I don't know what was in his stupid head to make him say such a stupid thing to leave himself looking so stupid.
He is probably just stupid.

[faithlilly]

How can I possibly answer that?  I don't know what was in his stupid head to make him say such a stupid thing to leave himself looking so stupid.
He is probably just stupid.

And you know it wasn't true because........ ?

[Eleanor]

And you know it wasn't true because........ ?

Because Gerry said so.  And because I believe him.  Can you prove otherwise?

[faithlilly]

Because Gerry said so.  And because I believe him.  Can you prove otherwise?

Has Kate denied it ? I seem to remember Gerry was in Washington when the call was made. Can you be sure that Gerry even knew about the phone call before he heard about it in court ?

[pegasus]

Has Kate denied it ? I seem to remember Gerry was in Washington when the call was made. Can you be sure that Gerry even knew about the phone call before he heard about it in court ?

Precisely Faithlilly.
Call was made solo by one individual while other individual away.

[Alfred R Jones]

This is exactly what Gerry said

“I’d like to make it absolutely clear that Kate has never had a dream that Maddie has been buried somewhere, and I don’t know if something’s been lost in interpretation, but that didn’t happen – not with those words, that’s for sure.”

Note the inclusion of the word "buried".  It's important (in the context of this daft thread).

[G-Unit]

This is exactly what Gerry said

“I’d like to make it absolutely clear that Kate has never had a dream that Maddie has been buried somewhere, and I don’t know if something’s been lost in interpretation, but that didn’t happen – not with those words, that’s for sure.”

Note the inclusion of the word "buried".  It's important (in the context of this daft thread).

Note what he is denying. He's not denying a dream, he's denying 'a dream that Maddie has been buried somewhere'.

I wonder what 'not with those words' meant? With other words?

[Benice]

Note what he is denying. He's not denying a dream, he's denying 'a dream that Maddie has been buried somewhere'.

I wonder what 'not with those words' meant? With other words?

The clue is in the thread title  G.   Kate dreamed that Madeleine was on a hillside NOT that she was dead and buried somewhere - which some people have claimed she said.

It's not unusual for grief-stricken people to have vivid dreams about their lost loved ones which seem incredibly real at the time.

IMO the actual words are unimportant, it's the fact that grown-up policemen would actually sit there and decide that a DREAM was a turning point in ANY police investigation which is so jaw-dropping.

Can you imagine any UK police officers making such a claim?   I certainly can't and I'd seriously be questioning their professionalism if they did.

Don't you agree?

[sadie]

The clue is in the thread title  G.   Kate dreamed that Madeleine was on a hillside NOT that she was dead and buried somewhere - which some people have claimed she said.

It's not unusual for grief-stricken people to have vivid dreams about their lost loved ones which seem incredibly real at the time.

IMO the actual words are unimportant, it's the fact that grown-up policemen would actually sit there and decide that a DREAM was a turning point in ANY police investigation which is so jaw-dropping.

Can you imagine any UK police officers making such a claim?   I certainly can't and I'd seriously be questioning their professionalism if they did.

Don't you agree?

   Excellent logic.  Post of the week?

[stephen25000]

The clue is in the thread title  G.   Kate dreamed that Madeleine was on a hillside NOT that she was dead and buried somewhere - which some people have claimed she said.

It's not unusual for grief-stricken people to have vivid dreams about their lost loved ones which seem incredibly real at the time.

IMO the actual words are unimportant, it's the fact that grown-up policemen would actually sit there and decide that a DREAM was a turning point in ANY police investigation which is so jaw-dropping.

Can you imagine any UK police officers making such a claim?   I certainly can't and I'd seriously be questioning their professionalism if they did.

Don't you agree?

Intense dreams could well be a sign of a guilty conscience.

[Anna]

Intense dreams could well be a sign of a guilty conscience.

I have very realistic dreams, Stephen. I always have done. Even now I can wake up crying, confused and calling out. I can't think why I should have a guilty conscience................Unless its all these expensive chocolates that I eat....