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Offline faithlilly

I'm not at all knowledgeable about Lee Rainbow Faith.     This is all I can find on the Rainbow report.  Is there more plz?


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The potential involvement of the family in the disappearance of Madeleine McCann cannot be discarded, and it can be considered that, when pondering the basis for research, this hypothesis deserves as much attention as the criminal with sexual motivations that has been previously prioritised.

“It should be stressed that there is no evidence to directly support an involvement of the family, yet given the absence of decisive evidence to prove the contrary, such a scenario has to be explored.”    At court last week, Mr Amaral’s lawyer, Antonio Cabrita, read out a section of 37-year-old Mr Rainbow’s report which said: “The family is a lead that should be followed.”
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I understand this report was submitted a couple of months after Madeleine's disappearance (July 2007?)

Apart from recommending that the family should be investigated - which is normal procedure anyway - in order to rule them in or out  -  I cannot see anything which would denote his report would be regarded as a turning point in the case.   

What is in the report which the PJ didn't already know about and came as such big news to them that it put a whole new complexion on the case?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1250084/How-letter-UK-police-turned-spotlight-Kate-Gerry-McCann.html

"His lawyer Antonio Cabrita, reading from a Portuguese translation of the previously- confidential report, said: 'The family is a lead that should be followed.

The McCanns want Gonzolo Amaral (pictured yesterday) to be legally barred from accusing them of being involved in Madeleine's disappearance
'The contradictions in Gerald McCann's statement might lead us to suspect a homicide. This is a lead that should be investigated.'


« Last Edit: August 10, 2015, 02:18:13 PM by Faithlilly »
Brietta posted on 10/04/2022 “But whether or not that is the reason behind the delay I am certain that Brueckner's trial is going to take place.”

Let’s count the months, shall we?

Offline Brietta

I'm not at all knowledgeable about Lee Rainbow Faith.     This is all I can find on the Rainbow report.  Is there more plz?


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The potential involvement of the family in the disappearance of Madeleine McCann cannot be discarded, and it can be considered that, when pondering the basis for research, this hypothesis deserves as much attention as the criminal with sexual motivations that has been previously prioritised.

“It should be stressed that there is no evidence to directly support an involvement of the family, yet given the absence of decisive evidence to prove the contrary, such a scenario has to be explored.”    At court last week, Mr Amaral’s lawyer, Antonio Cabrita, read out a section of 37-year-old Mr Rainbow’s report which said: “The family is a lead that should be followed.”
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I understand this report was submitted a couple of months after Madeleine's disappearance (July 2007?)

Apart from recommending that the family should be investigated - which is normal procedure anyway - in order to rule them in or out  -  I cannot see anything which would denote his report would be regarded as a turning point in the case.   

What is in the report which the PJ didn't already know about and came as such big news to them that it put a whole new complexion on the case?

Just another example of the mindset which seemed to govern the incompetent manner in which Madeleine McCann's case was conducted.

A dream is described as a 'turning point'.  Generic information on how to conduct the inquiry is misinterpreted to become another 'turning point' to justify suspicions against her parents ... which we are told had been held from the first day of the inquiry.

The requirement to supply advice on standard police procedures would imply that Portugal had no equivalent at that time.  I can't quite take that on board ... I think the local situation which was very sensitive was known and this was the way chosen to sort it out in a diplomatic manner.
They obviously really had no idea about just how obtuse their opposite numbers were.

The advice was misconstrued at the relevant time when it could have been useful to progress the investigation.
That is compounded by the continued lack of comprehension which led to it being produced in court with probably the addition of an opinion not Lee Rainbow's to boot.

A disaster from start to finish.
If the names were changed to Smith and Jones with the venue changed to Brighton ... one wonders if people would have dug deep over the years to defend ex Chief Inspector Smith's sense of his own importance and honour.


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A spokesman said last night: 'In disappearance cases it is common for the NPIA to advise officers to consider the possibility of the involvement of family and close friends.
'This is good practice for investigating cases. The NPIA gave similar generic advice to Portuguese police.'

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1250084/How-letter-UK-police-turned-spotlight-Kate-Gerry-McCann.html#ixzz3iPsex2hq
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline faithlilly

Just another example of the mindset which seemed to govern the incompetent manner in which Madeleine McCann's case was conducted.

A dream is described as a 'turning point'.  Generic information on how to conduct the inquiry is misinterpreted to become another 'turning point' to justify suspicions against her parents ... which we are told had been held from the first day of the inquiry.

The requirement to supply advice on standard police procedures would imply that Portugal had no equivalent at that time.  I can't quite take that on board ... I think the local situation which was very sensitive was known and this was the way chosen to sort it out in a diplomatic manner.
They obviously really had no idea about just how obtuse their opposite numbers were.

The advice was misconstrued at the relevant time when it could have been useful to progress the investigation.
That is compounded by the continued lack of comprehension which led to it being produced in court with probably the addition of an opinion not Lee Rainbow's to boot.

A disaster from start to finish.
If the names were changed to Smith and Jones with the venue changed to Brighton ... one wonders if people would have dug deep over the years to defend ex Chief Inspector Smith's sense of his own importance and honour.


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A spokesman said last night: 'In disappearance cases it is common for the NPIA to advise officers to consider the possibility of the involvement of family and close friends.
'This is good practice for investigating cases. The NPIA gave similar generic advice to Portuguese police.'

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1250084/How-letter-UK-police-turned-spotlight-Kate-Gerry-McCann.html#ixzz3iPsex2hq

Interesting piece of deflection there Brietta ! "led to it being produced in court with probably the addition of an opinion not Lee Rainbow's to boot." Not what the evidence says.
Brietta posted on 10/04/2022 “But whether or not that is the reason behind the delay I am certain that Brueckner's trial is going to take place.”

Let’s count the months, shall we?

Offline pegasus

Mccann statements are non arguido and therefore can't be used in court
Dogs alerts can't be used in court
No forensic evidence

That's about it
You seem to have missed the statement containing these words "now possesses arguido status".

Offline Mr Gray

You seem to have missed the statement containing these words "now possesses arguido status".

Apart from one by Gerry all the statements were non arguido.

Offline Mr Gray

Interesting piece of deflection there Brietta ! "led to it being produced in court with probably the addition of an opinion not Lee Rainbow's to boot." Not what the evidence says.

Your evidence is an article in the mail....which is still clIming Jason Button was gassed...... What was the source for this article....

Offline pathfinder73

You seem to have missed the statement containing these words "now possesses arguido status".

He affirms that his wife never gave him to understand that at some time she had the intention of giving Madeleine into the care of a family member.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/GERRY-MCCANN-ARGUIDO.htm

Asked if she is aware that her failure to respond to the questions put in the cause of the investigation, which seeks to know what happened to her daughter, she replied that yes, if the investigation so thinks.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/KATE-MCCANN_07-09-07.htm
Smithman carrying a child in his arms checked his watch after passing the Smith family and the time was 10:03. Both are still unidentified 10 years later.

Offline Mr Gray

He affirms that his wife never gave him to understand that at some time she had the intention of giving Madeleine into the care of a family member.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/GERRY-MCCANN-ARGUIDO.htm

Asked if she is aware that her failure to respond to the questions put in the cause of the investigation, which seeks to know what happened to her daughter, she replied that yes, if the investigation so thinks.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/KATE-MCCANN_07-09-07.htm

Everything else non arguido

Offline pathfinder73

Everything else non arguido

There are many contradictions and all statements were signed. There are many other recorded interviews with them, other witness statements and evidence.
Smithman carrying a child in his arms checked his watch after passing the Smith family and the time was 10:03. Both are still unidentified 10 years later.

Offline Mr Gray

There are many contradictions and all statements were signed. There are many other recorded interviews with them, other witness statements and evidence.

Arguido is like being cautioned
None of those statements could be used in court
The archiving report said there was no evidence of a crime by the mccanns

Offline pathfinder73

Arguido is like being cautioned
None of those statements could be used in court
The archiving report said there was no evidence of a crime by the mccanns

All evidence can be used in a circumstantial evidence case but you only have one shot so it is last resort.
Smithman carrying a child in his arms checked his watch after passing the Smith family and the time was 10:03. Both are still unidentified 10 years later.

Offline Mr Gray

All evidence can be used in a circumstantial evidence case but you only have one shot so it is last resort.

no...do you not understand what being cautioned means

Offline pegasus

Apart from one by Gerry all the statements were non arguido.
But at the beginning of the arguido statement, is
"He fully confirms the contents of the statements that he has previously given..."

Offline Mr Gray

But at the beginning of the arguido statement, is
"He fully confirms the contents of the statements that he has previously given..."

does he say that...or does he say this...

He confirms all of what was stated previously to the Police on two occasions, and has nothing further to add.

stephen25000

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does he say that...or does he say this...

He confirms all of what was stated previously to the Police on two occasions, and has nothing further to add.


Csan you provide a cite for that ?