Ricardo Paiva, "Kate McCann had a dream where she saw Maddie on a hillside"

[Benice]

Isn't that the dream that Gerry McCann stood outside the court in Portugal denying Kate had ever had   ? 

 

Gerry said Kate had never had a dream that Madeleine was BURIED somewhere.   She hadn't



Quote from the Telegraph.   
By Fiona Govan in Lisbon
7:30AM GMT 13 Jan 2010

Police Inspector Ricardo Paiva, who acted as a liaison between the McCanns and Portuguese detectives in the days following their daughter’s disappearance, said the dream was a "turning point" in the investigation.

He said that Mrs McCann told him in a tearful telephone conversation in late July 2007 that she had dreamt that Madeleine was on a hill and that police should search for her there. The claims came as Kate and Gerry McCann appeared in court to hear evidence on the first day of a hearing to challenge the publication of a book written by Algarve detective Goncalo Amaral.

Insp Paiva told the hearing in Lisbon: “Kate called me, she was alone as Gerry was away and she was crying.

“She said she had dreamt that Madeleine was on a hill and that we should search for her there.

“She gave the impression that she thought she was dead – it was a turning point for us.”
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How can saying your daughter may be ON a hill and you want the police to go and look for her give the impression that she is dead and buried?

More importantly - how can anyone have confidence in any police force who considers that a dream by a grieving mother, is to be regarded  as a turning point in a missing child case?   Can you imagine SY making such a claim?   The mind boggles.

It's obvious that Kate had a very vivid dream about Madeleine  - as it is common for for people do at such traumatic times  - and as Gerry wasn't there she rang Ricardo Paivo in the (mistaken) belief that he was their friend.  IMO

   

[Wonderfulspam]

Gerry said Kate had never had a dream that Madeleine was BURIED somewhere.   She hadn't



Quote from the Telegraph.   
By Fiona Govan in Lisbon
7:30AM GMT 13 Jan 2010

Police Inspector Ricardo Paiva, who acted as a liaison between the McCanns and Portuguese detectives in the days following their daughter’s disappearance, said the dream was a "turning point" in the investigation.

He said that Mrs McCann told him in a tearful telephone conversation in late July 2007 that she had dreamt that Madeleine was on a hill and that police should search for her there. The claims came as Kate and Gerry McCann appeared in court to hear evidence on the first day of a hearing to challenge the publication of a book written by Algarve detective Goncalo Amaral.

Insp Paiva told the hearing in Lisbon: “Kate called me, she was alone as Gerry was away and she was crying.

“She said she had dreamt that Madeleine was on a hill and that we should search for her there.

“She gave the impression that she thought she was dead – it was a turning point for us.”
UNQUOTE

How can saying your daughter may be ON a hill and you want the police to go and look for her give the impression that she is dead and buried?

More importantly - how can anyone have confidence in any police force who considers that a dream by a grieving mother, is to be regarded  as a turning point in a missing child case?   Can you imagine SY making such a claim?   The mind boggles.

It's obvious that Kate had a very vivid dream about Madeleine  - as it is common for for people do at such traumatic times  - and as Gerry wasn't there she rang Ricardo Paivo in the (mistaken) belief that he was their friend.  IMO

   

Yeah, all she meant was that Maddie was sitting on the hillside didn't she.

That was exactly what she meant wasn't it.

[Mr Gray]

Isn't that the dream that Gerry McCann stood outside the court in Portugal denying Kate had ever had   ? 

 

In the video Gerry says Kate never has a dream that Maddie was buried somewhere...seems he is absolutely correct

[Mr Gray]

Yeah, all she meant was that Maddie was sitting on the hillside didn't she.

That was exactly what she meant wasn't it.

kate knows what she meant..you don't and neither does paiva...you only know what she said....

[jassi]

kate knows what she meant..you don't and neither does paiva...you only know what she said....

Or more precisely, we only know what he said that she said.
Do we know what she said that she said?

[Mr Gray]

Or more precisely, we only know what he said that she said.
Do we know what she said that she said?

we know what Gerry said...both paiva and gerry confirm there was no dream about death...paiva also confirms it was he who interpreted the dream as one relating to death

[Wonderfulspam]

In the video Gerry says Kate never has a dream that Maddie was buried somewhere...seems he is absolutely correct

Which makes it all the more bizzare for Gerry to deny something that no one else had actually claimed.

[Benice]

kate knows what she meant..you don't and neither does paiva...you only know what she said....

You would think people would be more than a little disturbed to know that a dream was actually regarded by the investigating team - as a turning point in the case!    But apparently not.    Incomprehensible.

   

[Mr Gray]

Which makes it all the more bizzare for Gerry to deny something that no one else had actually claimed.

Wrong again...Hidehi claimed it in the video you posted...and since then the lie has been repeated

[Mr Gray]

You would think people would be more than a little disturbed to know that a dream was actually regarded by the investigating team - as a turning point in the case!    But apparently not.    Incomprehensible.

 

Just as surprising is that people on this forum support those who have been shown time and time again to be incompetent

[Wonderfulspam]

Or more precisely, we only know what he said that she said.
Do we know what she said that she said?

That's a good point, has she ever said what she said?

Does she say what she said, when he said what she said or if she said what he said she said, in her book?

[Wonderfulspam]

Wrong again...Hidehi claimed it in the video you posted...and since then the lie has been repeated

Had Gerry seen the Hideo video before he left court that day?

What reason did Gerry have to deny Kate dreaming Maddie was buried , when in court that day Paiva didn't say buried & apparently & had said 'on' ?

[Brietta]

Wrong again...Hidehi claimed it in the video you posted...and since then the lie has been repeated

While trying to familiarise myself with Madeleine’s case I started watching some of the videos which are posted on line. 

I could not believe the selective editing of the footage or the innuendo, sometimes much more than innuendo of the captions and the scripts. 

There are some reputable videos which give straight commentary, but most are designed to mislead the gullible or those who wish to be deceived. 

I found that reading or watching any publication about Madeleine’s case required careful vetting of the sources with nothing taken at face value.

I think they are the source of many myths.

[Wonderfulspam]

Site 1: Apartment
MADELEINE vanished from Ocean Club apartment. At the time workmen were digging up a nearby road.

Site 2: Hillside
KATE told police she had a dream where she saw her daughter's body on hillside overlooking the resort.

Site 3: Beach
SPECIALIST ground-penetrating radar and mechanical diggers will be used to search land at the beach.

Site 4: Waste land
DETECTIVES are planning to excavate an area of waste ground opposite the apartment block.

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/5612497/Cops-ready-to-dig-for-Maddie-McCann-body-after-mother-dream.html



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[icabodcrane]

That's a good point, has she ever said what she said?

Does she say what she said, when he said what she said or if she said what he said she said, in her book?

This is what Kate McCann says about that phone call she made to Ricardo Paiva in late July  (  whilst Gerry was in Washington  )  ; 

"That evening I phoned Ricardo Paiva to ask for his help with a couple of letters I needed to have translated.  He sounded strange, distant; certainly not his usual self.  He mentioned the forthcoming ground search, adding that Encarnacao wanted to talk to us before it began.  I distinctly remember him saying,  'Our investigation will be changing direction'. Danie Krugel's report had given them a bit of a jolt, he told me"

It should be noted that when Kate wrote the above,  Ricardo Paiva had  already  told a court  that during that  phone call from Kate she had told him about her  'bad dream'  ...  yet she makes no reference to it and offers no denial

This is what Ricardo Paiva said about the call ;

"Kate called me, she was alone as Gerry was away,  and she was crying"