Ricardo Paiva, "Kate McCann had a dream where she saw Maddie on a hillside"

[icabodcrane]

I disagree that Paiva and Kate were both talking about the same phone call.

It seems obvious to me that the phone call Kate describes in her book is not the call she made to Paiva about the dream which it also pretty obvious took place before the one she describes about ringing him for help over letters.

IMO This is borne out by the fact that Paiva said to her .... ''our investigation WILL be changing direction'' ....which proves that the phone call about the dream had already taken place on a previous night and  - and having been discussed with the PJ team - was the reason for that 'change in direction he mentions to her.   But rather than reveal to Kate that it was her dream which had caused this change in direction - he told her it was related to the Krugel report.  IMO

IOW There were two separate phone calls made on different nights.   One from a distraught Kate telling him about her dream when she was crying, - and the other when she rang him requesting help with letter translation.

Well you might disagree but there is certainly  no evidence to support  your opinion

Kate says in her book that she made   'a'  call to Ricardo Paiva whilst Gerry was in Washington

Ricardo Paiva says Kate made  'a'   call to him whilst Gerry was away


You might  'imagine'  that Kate made more than one call to Paiva  ...  but that's all it is  ...  your imagination

[VIXTE]

Kate's reaction is a typical bereavement reaction. She's lost a child.

Trying to interpret her psychological reactions at this point is stupid and cruel.

A normal human being wouldn't wish this to happen to their worst enemy.

Picking up on people in this state and pretending they should react as if nothing has happen it is very  cruel.

I am not an evil person but I wish .......

[Benice]

It's Sadie and Benice isn't it? Go on, say I've got it!

Wait a minute.... that post was a parody mush up of two forum members here wasn't it?

Sadie and Benice what?  You've lost me.

My original post was in reply to Icabs who claimed that the phone call to Paiva Kate talks about in her book was the same phone call Paiva talked about in court.   Clearly (well to me anyway)  that wasn't the case.

[Wonderfulspam]

Kate's reaction is a typical bereavement reaction. She's lost a child.

Trying to interpret her psychological reactions at this point is stupid and cruel.

A normal human being wouldn't wish this to happen to their worst enemy.

Picking up on people in this state and pretending they should react as if nothing has happen it is very  cruel.

I am not an evil person but I wish .......

Good job I haven't done what you mentioned here then.

It's Gerry's state of mind I've questioned.

Did you miss that bit?

[VIXTE]

Good job I haven't done what you mentioned here then.

It's Gerry's state of mind I've questioned.

Did you miss that bit?

And Gerry also lost a child.

Not even a proper psychologist with years of experience would  'judge' or define their patients at this state of mind. I've had this happened in my family and a psychologist refused to treat a member of my family right after the bereavement moment.

The armchair psychologists in here who know it all and better than the specialists in the field continue to amaze me..

[Benice]

Well you might disagree but there is certainly  no evidence to support  your opinion

Kate says in her book that she made   'a'  call to Ricardo Paiva whilst Gerry was in Washington

Ricardo Paiva says Kate made  'a'   call to him whilst Gerry was away


You might  'imagine'  that Kate made more than one call to Paiva  ...  but that's all it is  ...  your imagination

Ricardo Paiva became very friendly with the McCanns, he invited them to dinner, their children played together.  He was their Portuguese Liason officer.   Of course they would be phoning one another.   To suggest Kate and Paivo only ever spoke once on the phone is ridiculous IMO.     Gerry WAS in Washington - which is probably why she turned to the person who she believed was a friendly face in the PJ team.     

[pegasus]

Is it possible to deny something that is true without fibbing?

[Wonderfulspam]

And Gerry also lost a child.

Not even a proper psychologist with years of experience would  'judge' or define their patients at this state of mind. I've had this happened in my family and a psychologist refused to treat a member of my family right after the bereavement moment.

The armchair psychologists in here who know it all and better than the specialists in the field continue to amaze me..

No judgement so far here,  I'm questioning why he was denying something that hadn't even been said.

That being Kate dreaming their daughter was buried specifically.

No one said that did they?  Apart from Gerry.

[VIXTE]

No judgement so far here,  I'm questioning why he was denying something that hadn't even been said.

That being Kate dreaming their daughter was buried specifically.

No one said that did they?  Apart from Gerry.

How would YOU know if it hasn't been said.
You would know only what has been reported in MSM. And plus you take all of these MSM reports for granted. And plus you behave as if Kate and Gerry are well know to YOU and YOU would know what is going on in their heads and YOU have every right to know all about Kate and Gerry.

My days, what kind of world we are coming to?

This is not an episode of a Big Brother.

[Wonderfulspam]

How would YOU know if it hasn't been said.
You would know only what has been reported in MSM. And plus you take all of these MSM reports for granted. And plus you behave as if Kate and Gerry are well know to YOU and YOU would know what is going on in their heads and YOU have every right to know all about Kate and Gerry.

My days, what kind of world we are coming to?

This is not an episode of a Big Brother.

You are assuming it was said then, on what basis?

Because Gerry said so & Paiva didn't?


 

[VIXTE]

You are assuming it was said then, on what basis?

Because Gerry said so & Paiva didn't?

I just don't see the importance of it. Why does it matter? Maybe Gerry heard of rumours? Maybe a reporter called him and asked about it?

These were grieving parents at the time. To my family it was said by doctors to not to take for granted and not to be hurt by anything what the family member who was in bereavement said to us. 
And in here we see threads and threads about what Kate and Gerry said or what they thought..
For gods sake, their whole life was turning ups and down.. if I was in their shoes I would be in a psychiatric ward long ago..
And it seems some people wish exactly this to happen. They don't like seeing this family still standing and still fighting to know what happened to their daughter.

[Wonderfulspam]

I just don't see the importance of it. Why does it matter? Maybe Gerry heard of rumours? Maybe a reporter called him and asked about it?

These were grieving parents at the time. To my family it was said by doctors to not to take for granted and not to be hurt by anything what the family member who was in bereavement said to us. 
And in here we see threads and threads about what Kate and Gerry said or what they thought..
For gods sake, their whole life was turning ups and down.. if I was in their shoes I would be in a psychiatric ward long ago..
And it seems some people wish exactly this to happen. They don't like seeing this family still standing and still fighting to know what happened to their daughter.

I see you go by the assumption that they don't actually know, which no one except for them can really be certain of.

[Benice]

Kate would still be in deep grief after a mere 3 months - made even worse because she didn't know what had happened to her little girl.    Dreams during that time can be very vivid - and can reflect inner longings.    For all we know the intensity of her dream made her hope that someone had dumped Madeleine alive on a hillside where she could be found.

[stephen25000]

Kate would still be in deep grief after a mere 3 months - made even worse because she didn't know what had happened to her little girl.    Dreams during that time can be very vivid - and can reflect inner longings.    For all we know the intensity of her dream made her hope that someone had dumped Madeleine alive on a hillside where she could be found.

Grief i can agree with.

As to what happened that night and subsequently, you do not know.

It has to be tested in court.

[Mr Gray]

Grief i can agree with.

As to what happened that night and subsequently, you do not know.

It has to be tested in court.

The dispute about the phonecall is of absolutely no importance