Author Topic: Ricardo Paiva, "Kate McCann had a dream where she saw Maddie on a hillside"  (Read 137356 times)

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Offline Mr Gray

What are you talking about Davel? You brought it up and claimed I was stating fact. If you can't back that claim up then shut up and move on.

I never claimed anything as fact, unlike you who presented it as fact on several occasions that Kate was not talking about a dead Madeleine. You have no idea whether it is fact or not.

neither did paiva

Offline Mr Gray

Paiva was the one who spoke to Kate and was therefore able to judge her meaning.

What quote did you provide to show that Kate was NOT talking about a dead Madeleine?

this is the quote...

She gave the impression that she thought she was dead – it was a turning point for us.”

So she didn't say she was dead.....paiva inferred it..

Offline Wonderfulspam

this is the quote...

She gave the impression that she thought she was dead – it was a turning point for us.”

So she didn't say she was dead.....paiva inferred it..

And Gerry inferred buried , for reasons known only to him, & Kate perhaps.
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Offline Anna

 Probably already on here, but.................................

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Sky Coverage of the Hearing day 2, 13th January 2010

 
 BBC Coverage of the Hearing day 2, 13th January 2010

 

Pivot: Gerry McCann repudiated the PJ Inspectors who stated in court that their daughter Madeleine is dead. The father of the child disappeared in the Algarve, accuses therefore the Inspector Ricardo Paiva of lying, when he said that his wife Kate called him, in the summer of 2007, telling that she had a dream where her daughter was dead and buried at hill in Praia da Luz. The PJ inspector said that this dream was decisive to change the course of investigations.

Voice over (Sandra Felgueiras): After yesterdays absolute silence, Gerry and Kate arrived at the civil court at 9:30 am, ready to blow off steam.

SF: How did you support hearing the inspectors repeating that Madeleine is dead and that you are involved?

Gerry McCann: The most important thing yesterday was what the prosecutor said, there's absolutely no evidence that Madeleine is dead.

Voice Over: At the same moment Gonçalo Amaral made a completely different assessment of the statements given yesterday by the former investigation colleagues. And even by the actual Nº2 of the PJ.

Gonçalo Amaral: Since yesterday I'm not the only one speaking, I can't say anything further since I'm in a injunction, so, about certain facts it's not only me talking. I'm not alone regarding that.

SF: Moita Flores ended up proving or corroborating, in the morning, that Madeleine couldn't have been abducted without any traces. During two hours, via video-conference, the former PJ inspector and actual Mayor of Santarém, praised the work done by the investigators of Madeleine's case, the same ones that Gerry McCann didn't spare criticism on his way out of the court, to go to London.

GM: It's particularly disappointing that certain police officers, withing Portimão, who considered us as possibly being involved in Madeleine's disappearence, have not been able to change their mind, inspite the lack of evidences. And it is this officers we are depending on for pursuing the investigation within Portugal.
 GM: I would like to make absolutely clear that Kate has never had a dream, that Madeleine was buried somewhere. And, I don't know if something has been lost in interpretation, but that didn't happen.

Voice Over: Gerry declared untrue in this manner the sworn statement given yesterday by the inspector Ricardo Paiva, who, to the court explained that Kate's dream, that was told to him on the phone, two months later after the disappearance was crucial for the PJ to start investigating the hypothesis of the child being dead.

GM: We are not under trial, not at all. people may want to say that, but we were exonerated.[cut] The PJ tried... What was seen very clearly is that one thesis in particular tried to be proven, possibly more than any other.

SF: Do you think they were competent?

GM: (looks above SF) And there's no evidence to support it.

SF: Where they competent to you?

GM: (looks the other way) Sorry...

Sandra Felgueiras: He never criticized openly the Judiciary police but he implicitly made known what he thinks. Gerry McCann left this court at 4:30 pm, behind leaves Kate, who will be joined still today by Fiona Payne, one of the friends of the couple that was with them at the time of Madeleine's disappearence. The hearing will continue and end tomorrow.



 RTPN (above) and RTP Coverage of the Hearing day 2, 13th January 2010

Voice Over (unknown journalist): They arrived before 10am and decided to talk to journalists.

Gerry McCann: The same, to continue to fight for Madeleine, the search and to protect her family.

Sandra Felgueiras: How did you support hearing the inspectors repeating that Madeleine is dead and that you are involved?

Gerry McCann: The most important thing yesterday was what the prosecutor said, there's absolutely no evidence that Madeleine is dead.

SF: But then you heard...

GM: Let me finish, please. There's absolutely no evidence that Madeleine is dead, and there's absolutely no evidence that were involved in her disappearence. That is the conclusion...

SF: Three people saying...

GM: That is the conclusion of the process, and that's what we're here debating.

Voice over: In the first session, that lasted more than 9 hours, Gonçalo Amaral's witnesses defended that the book 'Maddie, A Verdade da Mentira' only exposes facts that pertain to the process. All of them sustained the thesis that the British child is dead and that the parents hid the cadaver. The hearing continues with Moita Flores statement, via video-conference, he is the last witness requested by Gonçalo Amaral to be heard. The former PJ inspector says that he is not alone and believes that the book will be back on the bookshops.

Gonçalo Amaral: If I didn't believe it, then I wouldn't believe in this Country's Justice, I wouldn't have started the opposition, so, we have to trust.

Sandra Felgueiras: How have you faced the McCann couple?

GA: How? In a natural way.

SF: I want to ask you if you were satisfied for having heard the inspectors that repeated the thesis that you shared on the book?

Gonçalo Amaral: Since yesterday, I'm not the only one speaking, I can't say anything further since I'm in a injunction, so, about certain facts it's not only me talking. I'm not alone regarding that.

Voice over: The McCanns allege that the book 'A Verdade da Mentira' and the documentary broadcast by TVI divulge a thesis which they consider unsustainable, and that is hampering the search of the child. The provisional measure was decreed in September, the Court will decide if the book will ever be commercialized again.

http://joana-morais.blogspot.com/2010/01/gerry-mccann-denies-pj-officers.html


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Offline sadie

Thank you Anna.  Always finds tbe goods, does Anna  8((()*/



@2.01 Gerry says:

I would like to make it absolutely clear, that Kate has never had a dream, that Madeleine was buried somewhere

And ... I dont know if anything has been lost in interpretation , but that didn't happen



Offline Benice

On what 'plane' would you put Amaral and Co. after Paiva's statement that 'a dream' was a turning point in the investigation for them?



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stephen25000

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On what 'plane' would you put Amaral and Co. after Paiva's statement that 'a dream' was a turning point in the investigation for them?

Whose dream was that then ? 8(0(*

Hardly a psychic vision, perhaps more to do with a guilty conscience.

Offline sadie

Whose dream was that then ? 8(0(*

Hardly a psychic vision, perhaps more to do with a guilty conscience.
Dont talk rubbish, stephen

It was Kates dream. 



People do have dreams, nightmares after heart breaking catastrophies.   Surely you know that?

Seems that like you, Paiva lacked understanding and was happy to jump on any old bandwagon.

And of course, he wanted to please his boss, Amaral

stephen25000

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 8)-)))
Dont talk rubbish, stephen

It was Kates dream. 



People do have dreams, nightmares after heart breaking catastrophies.   Surely you know that?

Seems that like you, Paiva lacked understanding and was happy to jump on any old bandwagon.

And of course, he wanted to please his boss, Amaral



Wow, I never knew that sadie.

You learn something new every day. @)(++(* @)(++(* @)(++(*

Offline pathfinder73

Dont talk rubbish, stephen

It was Kates dream. 



People do have dreams, nightmares after heart breaking catastrophies.   Surely you know that?

Seems that like you, Paiva lacked understanding and was happy to jump on any old bandwagon.

And of course, he wanted to please his boss, Amaral

Not according to Gerry she didn't.

Smithman carrying a child in his arms checked his watch after passing the Smith family and the time was 10:03. Both are still unidentified 10 years later.

Offline Eleanor

Not according to Gerry she didn't.


It doesn't really matter one way or the other.  Kate had a dream.  Kate didn't have a dream.  No one in their right mind would see a dream as evidence of guilt.

Offline mercury

Paiva may have got it wrong, but Gerry Mccann's  flat and fervent denial seems a bit OTT to say the least, as you say, if it's no big deal why did he make it one

Offline Eleanor

Paiva may have got it wrong, but Gerry Mccann's  flat and fervent denial seems a bit OTT to say the least, as you say, if it's no big deal why did he make it one

Because it was a lie?

Offline mercury

Because it was a lie?
So he just made it up?
I suspect somethng occurred and possibly was lost in translation, no one really knows, but to get flummoxed as Gerry Mccann did is, still, IMO OTT and smacks of pointless denial , or maybe the point was go paint Paiva in bad colours...horrible job these sueings, more trouble than they're worth, then again, if they get 300 grand for their trouble they may be laughing all the way to the bank

Offline pathfinder73

Because it was a lie?

The McCanns brought Krugel in first to find a body. This was before Martin Grime and his dogs arrived

Krugel landed in Praia da Luz with his machine on July 17 and embarked on a four day search - with the blessing of Portuguese detectives. He said: "I had a meeting with Kate and Gerry where I explained exactly how my technology works and what I was going to do.

He said: "Gerry sent me a strand of Madeleine's hair for DNA purposes, which had been removed from her coat."

http://www.mccannfiles.com/id304.html
Smithman carrying a child in his arms checked his watch after passing the Smith family and the time was 10:03. Both are still unidentified 10 years later.