Ricardo Paiva, "Kate McCann had a dream where she saw Maddie on a hillside"

[slartibartfast]

I would have thought that any person of interest in a missing person case who volunteers information from a "dream" about the whereabouts of the missing person is going to ring alarm bells for the investigating police force.

[Alfred R Jones]

I would have thought that any person of interest in a missing person case who volunteers information from a "dream" about the whereabouts of the missing person is going to ring alarm bells for the investigating police force.

why would you have thought that then?  Do explain.

[slartibartfast]

why would you have thought that then?  Do explain.

Person of interest looking for closure, Christian Burial?

[Alfred R Jones]

Person of interest looking for closure, Christian Burial?

Hang on a minute.  Firstly, Kate never claimed she dreamt that Madeleine was buried anywhere, secondly what is intrinsically suspicious about a distraught mother having a dream about her missing child and telling the police about it?

[slartibartfast]

Hang on a minute.  Firstly, Kate never claimed she dreamt that Madeleine was buried anywhere, secondly what is intrinsically suspicious about a distraught mother having a dream about her missing child and telling the police about it?

I wasn't there so don't know how it was put to the police.

[Alfred R Jones]

I wasn't there so don't know how it was put to the police.

OK but you do know that Kate's dream was a turning point in the investigation - does that seem fair enough to you?

[faithlilly]

On the contrary Faith - it's the fact that a DREAM was actually considered as a turning point in the case by the policemen investigating it which is significant.    What does that say about their professionalism?  It was a dream FGS!      If SY had made the same claim I would think they were all off their rockers.   I can't believe that anyone with even a modicum of intelligence would not think the same.

Gerry did not deny Kate had a dream.  He denied that she had a dream that Madeleine was dead and buried somewhere - a statement which concurs with Paiva's own description of what she had told him.

People in deep grief do have intensely vivid dreams about their loved ones.   It's perfectly normal and certainly not evidence that they have committed a crime.  That is a preposterous claim for the PJ to make IMO.

Then tell me Benice why did Gerry vehemently deny something that hadn't been suggested by anyone ?

[faithlilly]

How many times does it have to be pointed out to you that Gerry did not deny Kate had a dream, he denied that Kate dreamt of Madeleine dead and buried on a hillside?!

The same question to you. Why when a at that time no one had suggested such a scenario did Gerry deny it ?

[sadie]

The same question to you. Why when a at that time no one had suggested such a scenario did Gerry deny it ?

Because of all the flak that they were getting from morons

OMO of course.

[Benice]

Then tell me Benice why did Gerry vehemently deny something that hadn't been suggested by anyone ?

I think you're splitting hairs now Faith..

Gerry was commenting on what had just been claimed in court.  i.e. that Paiva's own interpretation of a dream by Kate (that Madeleine was on a hillside)  - was that Kate knew Madeleine was dead-  and that is why Amaral and co. changed the course of the investigation.   

As Kate had not told Paiva that she knew Madeleine was dead and had never had a dream that she was dead or buried anywhere -  then Paiva's  'impression' was wrong.   Gerry was pointing that out to the Press.

The fact that neither Paiva nor Amaral and co - were the slightest bit embarrassed to admit that it was dream which caused a major turning point in a criminal investigation speaks volumes IMO.      I'm surprised they didn't produce photos showing Kate wearing a black top - as apparently that would also be a clear indication of her guilt.

And these are supposed to be professional policemen?!

IMO they would be laughed out of court in this country. 

[faithlilly]

I think you're splitting hairs now Faith..

Gerry was commenting on what had just been claimed in court.  i.e. that Paiva's own interpretation of a dream by Kate (that Madeleine was on a hillside)  - was that Kate knew Madeleine was dead-  and that is why Amaral and co. changed the course of the investigation.   

As Kate had not told Paiva that she knew Madeleine was dead and had never had a dream that she was dead or buried anywhere -  then Paiva's  'impression' was wrong.   Gerry was pointing that out to the Press.

The fact that neither Paiva nor Amaral and co - were the slightest bit embarrassed to admit that it was dream which caused a major turning point in a criminal investigation speaks volumes IMO.      I'm surprised they didn't produce photos showing Kate wearing a black top - as apparently that would also be a clear indication of her guilt.

And these are supposed to be professional policemen?!

IMO they would be laughed out of court in this country.

Not splitting hairs at all Benice. Pavia did not say that Kate had a dream that Madeleine was buried anywhere so why deny something that was not claimed ?

[Eleanor]

Not splitting hairs at all Benice. Pavia did not say that Kate had a dream that Madeleine was buried anywhere so why deny something that was not claimed ?

So what exactly did Paiva say?  Anybody?

[faithlilly]

So what exactly did Paiva say?  Anybody?

It's been posted several times on this thread Eleanor. Perhaps it would be helpful if you read back.

[Eleanor]

It's been posted several times on this thread Eleanor. Perhaps it would be helpful if you read back.

Sorry.  I haven't got the time.  And don't remember a definitive Cite anyway.  And believe it or not, I do read every posts.
Perhaps you would be be kind enough to remind me.

[pegasus]

PJ and SY searching the area labelled "close to dog kennels" on Krugel map see next post
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