Ricardo Paiva, "Kate McCann had a dream where she saw Maddie on a hillside"

[AnneGuedes]

Instead of calling upon principles, often helpless when a singular situation occurs, let's think :
Ricardo Paiva was faced with a dilemma : on one side he had to answer as a police officer in defence of his boss who was sued for assuming conclusions his whole team agreed with ; on the other side, in the name of his special relationship with Mrs McCann, he would conceal a dream that revealed a certain state of mind the calling of the hair device man corroborated.

This is a real "case of conscience" and it is worthwhile, imo, to meditate about it. There's no simple answer.

[icabodcrane]

Instead of calling upon principles, often helpless when a singular situation occurs, let's think :
Ricardo Paiva was faced with a dilemma : on one side he had to answer as a police officer in defence of his boss who was sued for assuming conclusions his whole team agreed with ; on the other side, in the name of his special relationship with Mrs McCann, he would conceal a dream that revealed a certain state of mind the calling of the hair device man corroborated.

This is a real "case of conscience" and it is worthwhile, imo, to meditate about it. There's no simple answer.

oh I think it was more than just a choice between  'defending'  his boss  (  who's conclusion he agreed with )  and revealing something told to him  'confidentially'  by Kate McCann

He is a police officer  ...  there is no  'confidentiality'  between him and the main protagonists in a criminal investigation

I would guess that the telephone conversation about  Kate's  'dream'  was logged in police files  ( quite properly )  and that the subsequent actions related to it are all recorded there too

Indeed,  Kate says,  in her book,  that Paiva,  accompanied by Jose de Frieitas, came to see her the next day  (  following her phone call to him the night before,   and whilst Gerry was still in Washington )  to discuss the anticipated search

[Chinagirl]

Icabodcrane:

oh I think it was more than just a choice between  'defending'  his boss  (  who's conclusion he agreed with )  and revealing something told to him  'confidentially'  by Kate McCann

He is a police officer  ...  there is no  'confidentiality'  between him and the main protagonists in a criminal investigation

I would guess that the telephone conversation about  Kate's  'dream'  was logged in police files  ( quite properly )  and that the subsequent actions related to it are all recorded there too
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Kate & Gerry McCann were  no longer "protagonists in a criminal investigation" at the time Paiva publicly revealed details of Kate's dream at the injunction hearing.

Rather than guessing that details of the alleged telephone conversation are in the files, perhaps you would find the relevant entry in the files and post it here.
 

[John]

KM writes in her book, she never dreamt of Madeleine until September 1st

Must all have been in Mr Paivas imagination I guess.
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ETA

From the diaries, in July, same time as Paiva said he got the call (probably refers to Krugel)


WEDNESDAY, JULY 18: It was suggested that Madeleine is dead and buried in an area close to the beach, behind the cliff.

Not quite true Redblossom.  What she actually wrote was, "On the night of 1 September I dreamed about Madeleine for the first time in 4 months".

[John]

When was the dream corroborated by Kate  ?

Sorry Icabodcrane, you're correct of course, Kate never mentioned the specifics of that dream in her book.   

[icabodcrane]

Sorry Icabodcrane, you're correct of course, Kate never mentioned the specifics of that dream in her book.   

Thanks for confirming John,  I thought you might have read it somewhere else   ...   the only reference I go by largely is Kate's book  (  and a bit of  googling ) 

[Eleanor]

Instead of calling upon principles, often helpless when a singular situation occurs, let's think :
Ricardo Paiva was faced with a dilemma : on one side he had to answer as a police officer in defence of his boss who was sued for assuming conclusions his whole team agreed with ; on the other side, in the name of his special relationship with Mrs McCann, he would conceal a dream that revealed a certain state of mind the calling of the hair device man corroborated.

This is a real "case of conscience" and it is worthwhile, imo, to meditate about it. There's no simple answer.

Paiva did not have to appear in court to defend his Boss who was involved in a commercial enterprise.

[Mrs. B]

Have you privileged information, Mrs B ? Or do you doubt inspector Paiva's aptitude concerning the Freudian concept of unconscious mind ?

I always found amazing that a lady trained in sciences and with faith in God seemed so attracted by magic thinking : isn't there a dream about a boat ? The SouthAfrican hair device, the rosaries around a toy.. Why not a premonitory dream ?

No, simple facts do for me, Madeleine was not found on any hillside i.e. as in Kate's dream. I.e. Kate's dream was not a confession to having left Madeleine dead on a hillside. It was Paiva's ASSUMPTION that it was some sort of confession, he INTERPRETED her dream as such. Dream interpretation is not an acceptable investigative method, anywhere, afaik.

[Mrs. B]

Paiva did not have to appear in court to defend his Boss who was involved in a commercial enterprise.

No, he did not. Paiva was a willing witness for his previous boss in a civil suit. Did Amaral not try to get one of the UK family liaison officers to be a witness for him too? Which was declined?

[Eleanor]

No, he did not. Paiva was a willing witness for his previous boss in a civil suit. Did Amaral not try to get one of the UK family liaison officers to be a witness for him too? Which was declined?

Yes.  Amaral tried to call a British Policeman of Portuguese birth.  He appears to know nothing about The Official Secrets Act.

[Eleanor]

Madeleine could just as well have been left on the hillside alive as far as I can see.

[faithlilly]

A police officer who is tasked with liaison duties should not be disclosing private confidences under any circumstances. End off!!

Sorry but that's a load of nonsense. The call had already lead to a search of the hillside intimated by Kate.

 Are you really suggesting that anything incriminating said to a FLO by the family of a missing child should be kept from the investigation ? That is simply ridiculous.

[faithlilly]

Madeleine could just as well have been left on the hillside alive as far as I can see.

There was obviously something relayed in the phone call that suggested to Pavia that Kate thought Madeleine was no longer alive. She was not talking about a live child, that was clear to Paiva and to second guess what Kate said that night is simply clutching at straws.

[Mrs. B]

Sorry but that's a load of nonsense. The call had already lead to a search of the hillside intimated by Kate.

 Are you really suggesting that anything incriminating said to a FLO by the family of a missing child should be kept from the investigation ? That is simply ridiculous.

It wasn't a criminal investigation, it was a civil suit to protect a commercial venture by Amaral. Utterly reprehensible behavior by an officer of the law.

[Mrs. B]

LOL, and yet you have told us yourself that Kate talked of her daughter's body to Paiva - is that not guesswork too?

Yes, but it appears she wants the monopoly in the myth making business...