Ricardo Paiva, "Kate McCann had a dream where she saw Maddie on a hillside"

[icabodcrane]

Yes, let's explore this "very good" angle (based on zero evidence) of Gerry the jealous husband in order to mock and deride him anew.  Well done Icabod.

I don't think wondering if Gerry may have been a bit upset to find out that Kate had called Paiva to talk about her bad dream is  'mocking' him at all

I think it would be quite a human reaction on his part

[DCI]

I don't think wondering if Gerry may have been a bit upset to find out that Kate had called Paiva to talk about her bad dream is  'mocking' him at all

I think it would be quite a human reaction on his part

Anyone with a brain, would know, a Liason Officer is there to help, anytime, day or night. Why would Gerry be upset? Thats what Paiva was supposed to be doing, not trying to find anything to set them up!

[faithlilly]

If Paiva had misinterpreted, or even just misunderstood what Kate had told him  ( about her dream ) , why didn't she take the opportunity to point that out in her book ?

It was something of such significance to the Portuguese police that the direction of the investigation changed as a consequence of it  ...  and much was made of it at the hearing in Lisbon

Yet Kate did not even give it a cursory mention in her book

Good questions.

[Mo Stache]

Good questions.

"icabodcrane on Today at 07:15:22 PM

If Paiva had misinterpreted, or even just misunderstood what Kate had told him  ( about her dream ) , why didn't she take the opportunity to point that out in her book ?
It was something of such significance to the Portuguese police that the direction of the investigation changed as a consequence of it  ...  and much was made of it at the hearing in Lisbon
Yet Kate did not even give it a cursory mention in her book "

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Was it mentioned in Amaral's book? 

[faithlilly]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/portugal/6974917/Madeleine-McCanns-death-covered-up-by-parents-who-faked-kidnap-court-hears.html

From the article above :

'A third witness said the turning point of the investigation came following a tearful call from Mrs McCann who, after a dream, told police where to search for her daughter’s body.'

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/2805709/Kate-McCann-dreamt-Maddies-body-was-on-a-hillside.html

http://www.eveningexpress.co.uk/Article.aspx/1559534

From the article above :

'And the hearing was told Kate McCann had a dream in which she saw the body of missing daughter Madeleine on a hillside above their holiday resort.'

[Redblossom]

exactly FL unless someone can produce every single word of paivas in court they have no argument, even tweets are selective

[Mrs. B]

Anyone with a brain, would know, a Liason Officer is there to help, anytime, day or night. Why would Gerry be upset? Thats what Paiva was supposed to be doing, not trying to find anything to set them up!

Own experience is the only explanation, unless of course, they know Gerry McCann personally & can testify that he is indeed one of these jealous husbands they're on about.

[amaraltheofficeboy]

Gerry didn't express anger at the fact that Kate's dream had influenced the investigation though ...  he expressed anger that her dream has been misinterpreted 

Thinking about it though, maybe he was angry because he found out for the first time that while he was in Washington  Katemade a  late evening call to Paiva   (  she didn't put the twins to bed until 9.15pm  that  night )  and she says herself in the book that it was in the 'evening'   that she rang Paiva   (  to talk about some letters she wanted to translate )

Maybe it was the late evening  'oh Ricardo, I had a bad dream'  aspect of it that made Gerry a bit cross

Just another angle  to consider

it's not an angle to consider at all - it is something straight from your imagination.

It should be good for another 10 pages at least.

[Mo Stache]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/portugal/6974917/Madeleine-McCanns-death-covered-up-by-parents-who-faked-kidnap-court-hears.html

From the article above :

'A third witness said the turning point of the investigation came following a tearful call from Mrs McCann who, after a dream, told police where to search for her daughter’s body.'

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/2805709/Kate-McCann-dreamt-Maddies-body-was-on-a-hillside.html

http://www.eveningexpress.co.uk/Article.aspx/1559534

From the article above :

'And the hearing was told Kate McCann had a dream in which she saw the body of missing daughter Madeleine on a hillside above their holiday resort.'

Ah yes! The ever reliable and accurate press reports. Strange how press reports by pro's are dismissed, but allowed as proof when anti's post them.

[Mo Stache]

"icabodcrane on Today at 07:15:22 PM

If Paiva had misinterpreted, or even just misunderstood what Kate had told him  ( about her dream ) , why didn't she take the opportunity to point that out in her book ?
It was something of such significance to the Portuguese police that the direction of the investigation changed as a consequence of it  ...  and much was made of it at the hearing in Lisbon
Yet Kate did not even give it a cursory mention in her book "

...................
Was it mentioned in Amaral's book?

Anyone? If Kate's dream was such a "turning point" in the investigation why is it not mentioned in Amaral's book? Or is it?

[Mrs. B]

Ah yes! The ever reliable and accurate press reports. Strange how press reports by pro's are dismissed, but allowed as proof when anti's post them.

"You really should try and do more serious research than the Mail, it will do you good for a general education at least into tabloid reporting". Apparently, the Sun is so much better. LOL

[Mo Stache]

During the McCanns attempt to have Amaral's book banned Ricardo Paiva gave evidence of a telephone call made by Kate, while Gerry was absent.   He said that Mrs McCann told him in a tearful telephone conversation in late July 2007 that she had dreamt that Madeleine was on a hill and that police should search for her there. 

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/portugal/6977977/Madeleine-McCann-mothers-dream-was-turning-point-in-investigation-court-hears.html

Of course Gerry, in front of the world's press, denied that Kate had ever had such a dream or that something must have been lost in translation ( unlikely as Paiva spoke perfect English).

What are we to make of this episode ?

Did Kate keep the phonecall from Gerry and, if so, why ?



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[faithlilly]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/portugal/6974917/Madeleine-McCanns-death-covered-up-by-parents-who-faked-kidnap-court-hears.html

"A THIRD WITNESS SAID THE TURNING POINT OF THE INVESTIGATION CAME FOLLOWING A TEARFUL CALL FROM MRS MCCANN WHO, AFTER A DREAM, TOLD POLICE WHERE TO SEARCH FOR HER DAUGHTER'S BODY.

Police Inspector Ricardo Paiva, who acted as a liason between the McCanns and Portuguese police in the days following their daughter’s disappearance told the court he had received the phone call in late July 2007.
“Kate called me, she was alone as Gerry was away and she was crying,” he said. “She said she had dreamt that Madeleine was on a hill and that we should search for her there.
“She gave the impression that she thought she was dead – it was a turning point for us.”

Just in case anyone missed it.

[Mo Stache]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/portugal/6974917/Madeleine-McCanns-death-covered-up-by-parents-who-faked-kidnap-court-hears.html

"A THIRD WITNESS SAID THE TURNING POINT OF THE INVESTIGATION CAME FOLLOWING A TEARFUL CALL FROM MRS MCCANN WHO, AFTER A DREAM, TOLD POLICE WHERE TO SEARCH FOR HER DAUGHTER'S BODY.

Police Inspector Ricardo Paiva, who acted as a liason between the McCanns and Portuguese police in the days following their daughter’s disappearance told the court he had received the phone call in late July 2007.
“Kate called me, she was alone as Gerry was away and she was crying,” he said. “She said she had dreamt that Madeleine was on a hill and that we should search for her there.
“She gave the impression that she thought she was dead – it was a turning point for us.”

Just in case anyone missed it.

Who is this third witness? Goncola Amaral perhaps? Who got it from Paiva? Hardly an independent witness now is it?

[Redblossom]

Ah well I also quoted another paper which definitaely said dead and body, seems to have been  deleted, it was in the mail as well