Author Topic: How likely is it that Jane Tanner and the Smiths saw the 'same' man ?  (Read 125819 times)

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Offline Benice

Re: How likely is it that Jane Tanner and the Smiths saw the 'same' man ?
« Reply #135 on: June 09, 2013, 12:48:21 PM »
So Gerry is wrong then ?

Well they can't all be right can they?   Just proves that human memories are not like video recorders.
The notion that innocence prevails over guilt – when there is no evidence to the contrary – is what separates civilization from barbarism.    Unfortunately, there are remains of barbarism among us.    Until very recently, it headed the PJ in Portimão. I hope he was the last one.
                                               Henrique Monteiro, chief editor, Expresso, Portugal

Offline Mrs. B

Re: How likely is it that Jane Tanner and the Smiths saw the 'same' man ?
« Reply #136 on: June 09, 2013, 12:51:03 PM »
Which facts show what ?
There was opportunity after 9:30 as well.

That's all Scotland Yard have decided to divulge, unfortunately, looks like they don't think they have the obligation to provide a running day to day public information service re the investigation for the benefit of every Tom, Dick & Harry out there.

Offline faithlilly

Re: How likely is it that Jane Tanner and the Smiths saw the 'same' man ?
« Reply #137 on: June 09, 2013, 12:51:25 PM »
LOL You don't think you can program in "space" in a virtual reconstructions done on computers?

Even the simplest interior decorating/garden design programs do that, & DID so in 2007 too.

Not in the same way as a realtime reconstruction.

Brietta posted on 10/04/2022 “But whether or not that is the reason behind the delay I am certain that Brueckner's trial is going to take place.”

Let’s count the months, shall we?

Offline faithlilly

Re: How likely is it that Jane Tanner and the Smiths saw the 'same' man ?
« Reply #138 on: June 09, 2013, 12:53:01 PM »
That's all Scotland Yard have decided to divulge, unfortunately, looks like they don't think they have the obligation to provide a running day to day public information service re the investigation for the benefit of every Tom, Dick & Harry out there.

They shouldn't be 'divulging' any information at all, especially when only a quarter of the way through the data.
Brietta posted on 10/04/2022 “But whether or not that is the reason behind the delay I am certain that Brueckner's trial is going to take place.”

Let’s count the months, shall we?

Offline Mrs. B

Re: How likely is it that Jane Tanner and the Smiths saw the 'same' man ?
« Reply #139 on: June 09, 2013, 12:56:49 PM »
No, you can do it in a much BETTER way on a computers, as you can re-create the exact conditions at the exact time of the event on a computer, such as weather conditions, lighting, movable objects such as vehicles, vegetation, exact position of sun/moon (determining visibility) at the time etc which you cannot do in a real life reconstruction.

Offline faithlilly

Re: How likely is it that Jane Tanner and the Smiths saw the 'same' man ?
« Reply #140 on: June 09, 2013, 12:59:49 PM »
No, you can do it in a much BETTER way on a computers, as you can re-create the exact conditions at the exact time of the event on a computer, such as weather conditions, lighting, movable objects such as vehicles, vegetation, exact position of sun/moon (determining visibility) at the time etc which you cannot do in a real life reconstruction.

And the reactions of the individuals involved ? How do you replicate those ?
Brietta posted on 10/04/2022 “But whether or not that is the reason behind the delay I am certain that Brueckner's trial is going to take place.”

Let’s count the months, shall we?

AnneGuedes

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Re: How likely is it that Jane Tanner and the Smiths saw the 'same' man ?
« Reply #141 on: June 09, 2013, 01:01:19 PM »
They shouldn't be 'divulging' any information at all, especially when only a quarter of the way through the data.
Agreed, but isn't it half by now ?

Offline Mrs. B

Re: How likely is it that Jane Tanner and the Smiths saw the 'same' man ?
« Reply #142 on: June 09, 2013, 01:02:26 PM »
Think you can safely leave that decision to Scotland Yard, seems they already had enough information to form their opinion. & btw, as the appeal from last year, outlining that opinion, is still to be found on the Metropolitan Police's own youtube channel, not been amended or taken down, so it looks like their stance hasn't changed at all since then.


AnneGuedes

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Re: How likely is it that Jane Tanner and the Smiths saw the 'same' man ?
« Reply #143 on: June 09, 2013, 01:04:15 PM »
LOL You don't think you can program in "space" in a virtual reconstructions done on computers?

Even the simplest interior decorating/garden design programs do that, & DID so in 2007 too.
Magalhães e Menezes is supposed to know better :
The obvious and well-known advantages of immediate appreciation of evidence, or in other words, the fulfilment of the principle of contiguity of evidence in order to form a conviction, as firm as possible, about what was seen by Jane Tanner and the other interposers, and, eventually, to dismiss once and for all any doubts that may subsist concerning the innocence of the missing [child's] parents.

Offline Mrs. B

Re: How likely is it that Jane Tanner and the Smiths saw the 'same' man ?
« Reply #144 on: June 09, 2013, 01:07:10 PM »
Yes, he SHOULD have known better, surely, he must have been aware that there are, & were, computer programs available that could have achieved the objective, long before 2007. Or maybe not.....

Offline faithlilly

Re: How likely is it that Jane Tanner and the Smiths saw the 'same' man ?
« Reply #145 on: June 09, 2013, 01:11:58 PM »
Yes, he SHOULD have known better, surely, he must have been aware that there are, & were, computer programs available that could have achieved the objective, long before 2007. Or maybe not.....

And would the police have seen Gerry try to override Tanner's recollection of where he stood that night by using a computer ?  Anomalies like that is exactly something the PJ would have been looking for.
Brietta posted on 10/04/2022 “But whether or not that is the reason behind the delay I am certain that Brueckner's trial is going to take place.”

Let’s count the months, shall we?

Offline Mrs. B

Re: How likely is it that Jane Tanner and the Smiths saw the 'same' man ?
« Reply #146 on: June 09, 2013, 01:14:46 PM »
Yes, EVERY variation of any scenario could have been examined, that's why modern police forces tend to use computers these days, instead of real life reconstructions.

Redblossom

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Re: How likely is it that Jane Tanner and the Smiths saw the 'same' man ?
« Reply #147 on: June 09, 2013, 01:16:38 PM »
Magalhães e Menezes is supposed to know better :
The obvious and well-known advantages of immediate appreciation of evidence, or in other words, the fulfilment of the principle of contiguity of evidence in order to form a conviction, as firm as possible, about what was seen by Jane Tanner and the other interposers, and, eventually, to dismiss once and for all any doubts that may subsist concerning the innocence of the missing [child's] parents.

Of course and no fancy programme can replace Tanners own good or bad eyesight


Offline Mrs. B

Re: How likely is it that Jane Tanner and the Smiths saw the 'same' man ?
« Reply #148 on: June 09, 2013, 01:22:29 PM »
Eyesight can be tested, it's done regularly. Go to Specsavers & ask them, they do it for free.

AnneGuedes

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Re: How likely is it that Jane Tanner and the Smiths saw the 'same' man ?
« Reply #149 on: June 09, 2013, 01:31:09 PM »
Yes, he SHOULD have known better, surely, he must have been aware that there are, & were, computer programs available that could have achieved the objective, long before 2007. Or maybe not.....
Come on ! Magalhães e Menezes was likely aware but didn't think a program could achieve as well as a reconstruction. Your argument wasn't used by the TP group as a pretext to reject it.
A program might inform whether or not a normal person could see the design of a pyjama in a certain distance and with a certain lighting.
But I don't think a program is able to determine whether that same person could pass two men without being seen nor heard in a less than 2 m distance. Common sense says likely not. And the "independent" JW says the same.
I guess one of reasons why the PGR wanted this scene to be reconstructed is that Mr McCann insisted against JW and JT he had crossed the street, when he had no reason for that since JW was going back home and had to cross it.