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Offline sadie

Re: How likely is it that Jane Tanner and the Smiths saw the 'same' man ?
« Reply #345 on: November 06, 2013, 01:56:54 AM »
Well Scotland Yard think it WAS  the same man  ...  so strongly are they convinced of it that they eliminated Jane Tanner's bundleman on  Crimewatch,  and did not request any further help from the public on that matter

They have eliminated bundleman based on their investigation  ( the full details of which we are not aware  )

Do you think they are wrong  ?  ...  do you believe your  investigation is superior to that of Scotland Yard  ?
It is not a certainty.  It cannot be.

They cannot KNOW if a further man with a child walked that way.  They cannot KNOW it Icabod. 

Why do you keep on?  Like a stuck record.  8)-)))

icabodcrane

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Re: How likely is it that Jane Tanner and the Smiths saw the 'same' man ?
« Reply #346 on: November 06, 2013, 02:27:59 AM »
It is not a certainty.  It cannot be.

They cannot KNOW if a further man with a child walked that way.  They cannot KNOW it Icabod. 

Why do you keep on?  Like a stuck record.  8)-)))

Because despite having asked you several times,  you never answer the question

...  Do you think Scotland Yard are  wrong  ?   

You told us that you spoke to them,  and told them what your theory was 

Well they clearly thought it was bunkum  ...  what do you feel about that ?

Offline sadie

Re: How likely is it that Jane Tanner and the Smiths saw the 'same' man ?
« Reply #347 on: November 06, 2013, 02:38:33 AM »
Because despite having asked you several times,  you never answer the question

...  Do you think Scotland Yard are  wrong  ?   

You told us that you spoke to them,  and told them what your theory was 

Well they clearly thought it was bunkum  ...  what do you feel about that ?
Oh, time will tell on that  @)(++(* 8(>((


icabodcrane

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Re: How likely is it that Jane Tanner and the Smiths saw the 'same' man ?
« Reply #348 on: November 06, 2013, 02:59:48 AM »
Oh, time will tell on that  @)(++(* 8(>((

It's already been told

Your  'theory'  has been trashed by Scotland Yard  ...  can't you acknowledge that  ? 

No  'bundleman'  ...  no aborted  'pick-up'  ...  no stop off in 'staff quarters' 

Or  are you laying down one of your BIG FONT  bright coloured  'challenges'  to Redwood of the Yard  now  ? 

Offline Mr Moderator

Re: How likely is it that Jane Tanner and the Smiths saw the 'same' man ?
« Reply #349 on: November 06, 2013, 09:27:20 AM »
It would appear that the BBC Crimewatch claims have been exaggerated yet again in an attempt to improve ratings.

Offline pegasus

Re: How likely is it that Jane Tanner and the Smiths saw the 'same' man ?
« Reply #350 on: November 06, 2013, 09:11:12 PM »
The Crimewatch reconstruction is not always accurate with clothing (sometimes showing actors wearing clothes different to what is in witness statements). However one example where Crimewatch did get the clothing right is the sleeve length of the girl seen by the irish family, because one of them, from a distance of only about "two metres", saw the girl was wearing "a light top, with long sleeves". The missing girl's top has very short sleeves. So how is this possible? Either the sighting is irrelevant (another innocent man), or the witness is wrong about the long sleeves, or somewhere the long-sleeved top was added (which makes the idea of a stop-off, however unlikely it seems otherwise, not to be completely ruled out?). 

Offline Wonderfulspam

Re: How likely is it that Jane Tanner and the Smiths saw the 'same' man ?
« Reply #351 on: November 06, 2013, 09:19:36 PM »
The Crimewatch reconstruction is not always accurate with clothing (sometimes showing actors wearing clothes different to what is in witness statements). However one example where Crimewatch did get the clothing right is the sleeve length of the girl seen by the irish family, because one of them, from a distance of only about "two metres", saw the girl was wearing "a light top, with long sleeves". The missing girl's top has very short sleeves. So how is this possible? Either the sighting is irrelevant (another innocent man), or the witness is wrong about the long sleeves, or somewhere the long-sleeved top was added (which makes the idea of a stop-off, however unlikely it seems otherwise, not to be completely ruled out?). 


The missing girl's top has very short sleeves. So how is this possible?


We only have the McCanns word to trust in respect of what Madeleine was wearing when she was 'taken'.

The McCanns lied in their witness statements*, therefore we cannot trust their account of what she was supposedly wearing when she was supposedly 'taken'.


http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/TAVARES_ALMEIDA.htm

*From the declarations of the group results a total incoherence, in the face of which it's obvious, that everyone lies.


David Payne in his Rogatory interview had this to say about what he last saw Madeleine wearing....

"I can't remember exactly what, what you know the night attire, what the children were wearing but white was the predominant err colour"
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Offline Wonderfulspam

Re: How likely is it that Jane Tanner and the Smiths saw the 'same' man ?
« Reply #352 on: November 06, 2013, 10:04:37 PM »
David Payne Rogatory Interview

1485 "Yeah.'
 
 Reply "And really didn't think twice about it at the time and that's why it wasn't mentioned then. But she definitely mentioned it to me you know after Madeleine had been abducted and you know on the, the following day before she'd actually mentioned it to Kate and there was a, a newspaper report, I think it was in the Telegraph err certainly one of the newspapers anyway, that was sort of describing err Madeleine's pyjamas and, and err Jane said that's not right, how did they get that, well she said you know, that in, I don't know how they get that information anyway, my recollections were this was what she was wearing and described it you know differently you know to what the, the, the press had, and that was before she'd even seen Kate so you know, the strength of that argument is just absolutely overwhelming, you know given the time frame err you know of when Madeleine must have gone, gone, that you know and for her to have described in detail the pull ups at the bottom of the pyjamas err you know the colours, you know and the timing is just, you know well, so.'

1485 "How did she describe the child to you''

 Reply "Err, the, from, again my, my recollection was more about the, the description of the pyjamas not fitting in with the description of the newspaper and if I was to say that she was carrying the child you know like this, rather than like, like that then, you know because again this is something that we've talked about, you know, if she was abducted, you know, sorry if you were carrying your own child any distance, to actually carry a child like so is, it's hard work. You know, it's much easier to carry a child like this and it's easier to keep them asleep and support their head etcetera. So yeah that's something we've chatted about since and you know I could say oh yes I'm a hundred percent sure she said that, that they were carrying the child like that, but I, again, I wouldn't be, be accurate. All I can say is accurately I remember there was a, the err the discrepancy with the pyjamas and that, you know, and then she kept coming back to the turn ups which you know, which is very unique about the err you know, the pyjamas so that was, you know, you're in shock, you can't believe what's happened, you know, you're, you're ninety nine, point nine, nine, nine percent sure that this is what's happened but you're still not wanting to believe what's happened.'

1485 "Yeah.'

 Reply "But you know and then you're looking for information to, to try and fit in with what you thinks happened and then you know when, when we knew that we just thought, you know, that is it, that is who's taken her.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/DAVID-PAYNE-ROGATORY.htm


"you know because again this is something that we've talked about, you know, if she was abducted, you know, sorry if you were carrying your own child any distance"

"But you know and then you're looking for information to, to try and fit in with what you thinks happened and then you know when, when we knew that we just thought, you know, that is it, that is who's taken her.



Yes Dr Payne  "if she was abducted"  >@@(*&)



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AnneGuedes

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Re: How likely is it that Jane Tanner and the Smiths saw the 'same' man ?
« Reply #353 on: November 06, 2013, 10:06:14 PM »
Mr McCann spoke of another pyjama when he was interviewed by Vanity Fair on the 10th of January 2008 :

The night of May 3, Gerry checked on Madeleine, fast asleep in her pink-and-white Winnie the Pooh pajamas, and the twins, at 9:05

He likely didn't remember they had exhibited an Sleepy Eeyore short leaves pyjama on Crimewatch, the 4th of June..

Offline Wonderfulspam

Re: How likely is it that Jane Tanner and the Smiths saw the 'same' man ?
« Reply #354 on: November 06, 2013, 10:39:18 PM »
Mr McCann spoke of another pyjama when he was interviewed by Vanity Fair on the 10th of January 2008 :

The night of May 3, Gerry checked on Madeleine, fast asleep in her pink-and-white Winnie the Pooh pajamas, and the twins, at 9:05

He likely didn't remember they had exhibited an Sleepy Eeyore short leaves pyjama on Crimewatch, the 4th of June..

They were rather keen to exhibited the short sleeve pink Eeyore jammies, almost as if they felt compelled to stress that Madeleine was most definitely not wearing a long sleeve white pair.

I wonder why that might be?  >@@(*&)


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Offline Wonderfulspam

Re: How likely is it that Jane Tanner and the Smiths saw the 'same' man ?
« Reply #355 on: November 06, 2013, 10:53:33 PM »
'As the family waited fearfully for news, they faced the agonising reality of trying to explain to their toddler twins why their big sister was no longer there.

"That was terrible for them," says John McCann, Mr McCann's elder brother, who has also travelled to Portugal to help search for his niece.

"Kate dressed Amelie in her sister's pyjamas and the baby said: 'Maddy's jammies. Where is Maddy?' But she is too young to understand. And how do you explain? All we know is that Madeleine needs her family. She loves us, we love her. It is time for her to come home."'(Sydney Morning Herald, 15 May, 2007).


'Kate dressed Amelie in her sister's pyjamas.'

Now thats magic.
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AnneGuedes

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Re: How likely is it that Jane Tanner and the Smiths saw the 'same' man ?
« Reply #356 on: November 06, 2013, 11:05:35 PM »
If Amelie had the same, only smaller, why would she call it "Maddy's jammies"?
Instead of Ms Tanner adapting the sighting pyjama to Madeleine's pyjama, was Madeleine's pyjama adapted to the sighting pyjama ?

Offline Wonderfulspam

Re: How likely is it that Jane Tanner and the Smiths saw the 'same' man ?
« Reply #357 on: November 06, 2013, 11:11:39 PM »
If Amelie had the same, only smaller, why would she call it "Maddy's jammies"?
Instead of Ms Tanner adapting the sighting pyjama to Madeleine's pyjama, was Madeleine's pyjama adapted to the sighting pyjama ?


Jane Tanner Rogatory

"I can think that I would think 'Oh maybe a little girl would be wearing pink pyjamas', so, you know, if you were subconsciously putting things in your head, I can think pink pyjamas, yes, but I wouldn't think of some detail around the bottom of the pyjamas as a specific thing to, to mention."

And

"and err as I say with the pink part of the pyjamas I've always wondered whether that was a little girl, is it, are you going to plant into your head the pink pyjamas."




"if you were subconsciously putting things in your head, I can think pink pyjamas, yes"

"are you going to plant into your head the pink pyjamas."


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Offline faithlilly

Re: How likely is it that Jane Tanner and the Smiths saw the 'same' man ?
« Reply #358 on: November 07, 2013, 01:04:38 AM »
'As the family waited fearfully for news, they faced the agonising reality of trying to explain to their toddler twins why their big sister was no longer there.

"That was terrible for them," says John McCann, Mr McCann's elder brother, who has also travelled to Portugal to help search for his niece.

"Kate dressed Amelie in her sister's pyjamas and the baby said: 'Maddy's jammies. Where is Maddy?' But she is too young to understand. And how do you explain? All we know is that Madeleine needs her family. She loves us, we love her. It is time for her to come home."'(Sydney Morning Herald, 15 May, 2007).


'Kate dressed Amelie in her sister's pyjamas.'

Now thats magic.

Does dressing Amelie in Madeleine's clothes so soon after she had gone missing not seem rather callous to anyone ?
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AnneGuedes

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Re: How likely is it that Jane Tanner and the Smiths saw the 'same' man ?
« Reply #359 on: November 07, 2013, 01:27:49 AM »
Does dressing Amelie in Madeleine's clothes so soon after she had gone missing not seem rather callous to anyone ?
They said the pyjama exhibited to the cameras was Amelie's and identical to Madeleine's, likely slightly smaller. But would a 2 years old call her own pyjama, a pyjama that she hasn't inherited from her sister,  Maddy's jammies, just because it is similar ?