How likely is it that Jane Tanner and the Smiths saw the 'same' man ?

[Lyall]

I'm resurrecting this thread in light of the fact that we now  know  that the man Jane Tanner saw was  not  the same man the Smiths saw    (  the whole thread is worth re-reading if only because it  demonstrates how people can become absolutely convinced by false information  ) 

Anyway,  my real reason for bumping was with regard to the post I made above,  back in June

I'd like to know when it was that the McCanns produced that e fit of Gail Cooper's  'creepy man' 

They presented it as possibly being the man Jane Tanner saw  ...  and,  by extention,  the man the Smiths saw  (  since they believed that Tanner and the Smiths had seen the  same  man that night  )

Did they  already  have  Henri Exton's e fits when they did that, or not   ?

The 'Cooperman' sketch was January 2008, Icabod, and at that point there had been no linking of the 9.15 and 10pm sightings by Mitchell or the McCanns. At least not publicly.

The 10pm e-fits are thought to have been made in November?

[Lyall]

Icab

The creepyman was done around January 2008

See second entry onwards, page 3965 +

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/POWERPOINT.htm

IIRC the Smithman efits were done in September 2008 (reported in one of the articles these last few weeks, I dont remember which one) and report presented to Mccanns November 2008

  Snap.

[Redblossom]

Snap indeed
 


OK found the reference now in the paper

The efits were compiled by private detectives in September 2008

http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2013/oct/14/madeleine-mccann-inquiry-suspect-sighting-false-lead

[icabodcrane]

Thanks Red and Lyall

The reason  I asked was that I was watching an interview with Sandra Felgueiras  where Kate was pointing out that  creepy man  was not  that   dissimilar to Tannerman, and I couldn't find a date for the interview

[Redblossom]

Thanks Red and Lyall

The reason  I asked was that I was watching an interview with Sandra Felgueiras  where Kate was pointing out that  creepy man  was not  that   dissimilar to Tannerman, and I couldn't find a date for the interview

It was one on the rounds on the first anniversary, May 2008....as for not being that dissimilar, Tannerman had no face.....and their hairdos were chalk and cheese.....one looked like they just stepped out the hairdresser the other like they just been dragged through a hedge backwards...not to mention Tanner not seeing that massive handlebar moustache even from the side.......whilst noticing his swarthy skin each individual hair and uncreased trousers....still Gerry reckoned she said he bore an 80 per cent resemblance!....still, yes, no mention of a family seeing a more similar man on the same night, rather flag up people seen nowhere near the place and a week or two before.....

When can we get a rolly eyes smiley on here?

[Danamithar]

E-Fits may not have been in the file.....Read this
http://www.herald.ie/news/irish-couple-to-help-new-maddie-probe-28003417.html

19 MARCH 2012
Reports in British newspapers have claimed Scotland Yard officers will approach the Smith family in the coming weeks as they attempt to construct a photofit on the prime suspect.



Tragedy

Mary Smith told the Herald today that the family still sees Madeleine story as a "terrible tragedy" and that they will co-operate fully with investigators.

"At this point we just don't know whether we will be called but of course we will cooperate fully. Madeleine's disappearance was just a terrible tragedy," she added.

"We have not been contacted by police yet and we will wait for their instructions," she added.

Police reports state that Mary and Martin left Kelly's Bar in the resort at approximately 10pm when they passed a male they said was carrying a young girl who was barefoot.

[Redblossom]

E-Fits may not have been in the file.....Read this
http://www.herald.ie/news/irish-couple-to-help-new-maddie-probe-28003417.html

19 MARCH 2012
Reports in British newspapers have claimed Scotland Yard officers will approach the Smith family in the coming weeks as they attempt to construct a photofit on the prime suspect

Oh, well, if true,thats put a spanner in the works.......I cant keep up.....

Eta if true, still, why such a long delay releasing them.....

[Lyall]

Oh, well, if true,thats put a spanner in the works.......I cant keep up.....

Eta if true, still, why such a long delay releasing them.....

No rolly eyes smiley, but we do have >@@(*&) (much used in discussion of this case!)

[jassi]

E-Fits may not have been in the file.....Read this
http://www.herald.ie/news/irish-couple-to-help-new-maddie-probe-28003417.html

19 MARCH 2012
Reports in British newspapers have claimed Scotland Yard officers will approach the Smith family in the coming weeks as they attempt to construct a photofit on the prime suspect.



Tragedy

Mary Smith told the Herald today that the family still sees Madeleine story as a "terrible tragedy" and that they will co-operate fully with investigators.

"At this point we just don't know whether we will be called but of course we will cooperate fully. Madeleine's disappearance was just a terrible tragedy," she added.

"We have not been contacted by police yet and we will wait for their instructions," she added.

Police reports state that Mary and Martin left Kelly's Bar in the resort at approximately 10pm when they passed a male they said was carrying a young girl who was barefoot.

The article says that another newspaper says that police intend to contact, not that they have contacted. Is it known if the Smiths were contacted by SY after this date?   

[icabodcrane]

The article says that another newspaper says that police intend to contact, not that they have contacted. Is it known if the Smiths were contacted by SY after this date?

If they  had,  then surely they would have  used their own  experts to produce  an   'official'  e fit  based on the Smiths' description to them  ...  rather than parade Henri Exton's  'unofficial'  e fits on Crimewatch  ?

[jassi]

If they  had,  then surely they would have  used their own  experts to produce  an   'official'  e fit  based on the Smiths' description to them  ...  rather than parade Henri Exton's  'unofficial'  e fits on Crimewatch  ?

That's true, though there are those on here who claim that the Sunday Times article is rubbish, anyway.

[sadie]

I'm resurrecting this thread in light of the fact that we now  know  that the man Jane Tanner saw was  not  the same man the Smiths saw     (  the whole thread is worth re-reading if only because it  demonstrates how people can become absolutely convinced by false information  ) 

Anyway,  my real reason for bumping was with regard to the post I made above,  back in June

I'd like to know when it was that the McCanns produced that e fit of Gail Cooper's  'creepy man' 

They presented it as possibly being the man Jane Tanner saw  ...  and,  by extention,  the man the Smiths saw  (  since they believed that Tanner and the Smiths had seen the  same  man that night  )

Did they  already  have  Henri Exton's e fits when they did that, or not   ?

We don't KNOW that.  There is no certainty.

Certainly SY have uncovered a man that the PJ failed to find .... and that is good news for the case.

But it cannot be certain that this is the same man that Jane Tanner saw.

[Lyall]

Certainly SY have uncovered a man that the PJ failed to find .... and that is good news for the case.

8-)(--) What man?

[icabodcrane]

We don't KNOW that.  There is no certainty.

Certainly SY have uncovered a man that the PJ failed to find .... and that is good news for the case.

But it cannot be certain that this is the same man that Jane Tanner saw.

Well Scotland Yard think it WAS  the same man  ...  so strongly are they convinced of it that they eliminated Jane Tanner's bundleman on  Crimewatch,  and did not request any further help from the public on that matter

They have eliminated bundleman based on their investigation  ( the full details of which we are not aware  )

Do you think they are wrong  ?  ...  do you believe your  investigation is superior to that of Scotland Yard  ? 

[pegasus]

Of the irish family witnesses, the only who mentions the sleeves of the child's top,says the sleeves are long. I agree that the PJ should find the man seen by the irish family, but the long sleeves are a bit of a mystery?