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Offline John

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After the Smiths sighting - Where could this mystery man have gone?
« Last Edit: June 09, 2013, 02:48:53 PM by John »
A malicious prosecution for a crime which never existed. An exposé of egregious malfeasance by public officials.
Indeed, the truth never changes with the passage of time.

AnneGuedes

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In the Channel 4 programme 'Searching for Madeleine' this is what the four experts had to say about the bins :


JS: Back in town, our team discover another intriguing hiding place. They spot large industrial bins all over the resort.
 
DB: (to camera) There have been cases in the UK where bodies have been disposed of in wheelie bins and then taken directly to refuse tips and dumped there in the hope that they would be covered up.
 
CP: We were told to search everywhere, including the bins and in Praia da Luz they're quite big and scary-looking. Although I saw police searching, I personally didn't see police looking in the bins like we did. But I don't think we looked in every bin.
 
GL: There's a world of difference to looking in a refuse bin and tipping it on its side, emptying it all out, looking in every bag and re-filling it. When you've done that then you can say there's no pyjamas, there's no body in there.
 
JS: Dispatches has learnt that the bins are emptied nightly between midnight and 4am. And even though a major search for a missing child was going on, they were still emptied on the night Madeleine disappeared. Since the collections were not stopped, there's another area Gary Ligg knows needs prompt attention but it's thirty kilometres away.
 
GL: We need to find out where the land-fill site is; talk to the authorities, find out where it went and try to identify which area of the land fill these particular bins were emptied.
 
CS: (to camera) Ideally you would secure all of the bins in the immediate area and make sure that the local authority don't dispose of any of the contents until the search team have had the opportunity to check them all.
 
JS: We asked the Portuguese police whether the bins and local landfill had been searched. They chose not to comment.


The experts were :

CS = Chris Stevenson (former Detective Chief Superintendent, Cambridgeshire Police)
DB = David Barclay (Former Head of Physical Evidence UK National Crime and Operations Faculty)
DC = David Canter (Director, Centre for Investigative Psychology, University of Liverpool)
GL = Gary Ligg (Former Senior Search Adviser, West Yorkshire Police)
After hearing this, I asked a French ex-inspector whether the French police would have immediately stopped the collecting. He said likely not. But then I spoke to a Canadian inspector and he said yes,  because it happens there.
These 4 experts thought of it because it had happened in the UK that bodies were disposed of in bins.
It seems it is the most radical way of concealing a body for good.
The PJ visited all the bins and went on a landfill, but it was days after.

AnneGuedes

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You mean none of the officers involved in the search thought about checking the bins? Do you have a source for that, as I find it highly unlikely that trained officers would be THAT negligent, that'd be one of the first places to look, I'm sure.
They were searching an alive little girl. And I think they were right. Better let escape a body than risk to come too late to save a still alive child.

Offline Lace

Very gruesome I know,  but surely if Madeleine had been dumped on a landfill site,  a wild dog would have come across her?

Or any dog come to that.

AnneGuedes

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Very gruesome I know,  but surely if Madeleine had been dumped on a landfill site,  a wild dog would have come across her?

Or any dog come to that.
No. Those are closed sites. Special trucks go there. Between the collection and the deposit, there's processing.
Now if someone is buried in the country side, wild animals are a risk.

Offline Lace

I would imagine any bin in the area near the apartment would have been searched.



In any case,   why after concocting a story of cover up  because they didn't want the body to be discovered, would they just dump it in a bin,  which is the most likely place anyone would search?
« Last Edit: June 09, 2013, 04:26:14 PM by Lace »

AnneGuedes

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I would imagine any bin in the area near the apartment would have been searched.

Kate herself says she searched bins.
A police officer and 3 employees of the Lagos municipality searched 188 (including underground) containers on the 7th, much too late.
Mrs McCann was the only one who thought Madeleine could be dead and looked into a bin, but this was after the truck passed (daily except for Sunday).

Offline Carana

A police officer and 3 employees of the Lagos municipality searched 188 (including underground) containers on the 7th, much too late.


How could so few people thoroughly check the contents of 188 containers in one day?

AnneGuedes

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How could so few people thoroughly check the contents of 188 containers in one day?
People have the best interest, in a hot country, and even if containers are emptied every day, to keep them clean. Nobody throws solid residues (this is how it is called here) away without putting them into special solid bags that are closed.

Offline Carana

The police did quite an extensive amount of work into various yachts.

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/BOATS.htm

However, that wouldn't exclude a privately moored dinghy, surfboard or anything else that that could have gone unnoticed.


Offline faithlilly

I would imagine any bin in the area near the apartment would have been searched.



In any case,   why after concocting a story of cover up  because they didn't want the body to be discovered, would they just dump it in a bin,  which is the most likely place anyone would search?

Because that's what an abductor may do, and if you want it to look like an abduction, make it look like an abduction ?
Brietta posted on 10/04/2022 “But whether or not that is the reason behind the delay I am certain that Brueckner's trial is going to take place.”

Let’s count the months, shall we?

Offline Lace

Because that's what an abductor may do, and if you want it to look like an abduction, make it look like an abduction ?

If Madeleine was found dead from an accident,   why hide the body?

AnneGuedes

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Because that's what an abductor may do, and if you want it to look like an abduction, make it look like an abduction ?
If the issue was to dispose of a body in such a way that it would never ever be found for whatever reason, this was imo the unique practical way.

Offline Carana

If the issue was to dispose of a body in such a way that it would never ever be found for whatever reason, this was imo the unique practical way.

What are you referring to?

Offline Lace

If the issue was to dispose of a body in such a way that it would never ever be found for whatever reason, this was imo the unique practical way.

What in a bin?

Risking the body being found?