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AnneGuedes

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Re: Locally to PdL
« Reply #75 on: June 29, 2013, 06:13:12 PM »
Which were the questions  of the *many*  as you alledge, that she had already answered? As far as I read and comprehend, the only questions she replied to with *as I said before* were to do withthedog findings, not any other questions
We know where she didn't search at least.
She didn't look into the parking, either from the window or from the corridor nor did call Madeleine's name. This is what amazed me from the very beginning. Her daughter could be there, harmed, and wouldn't answer unless hearing mum's voice.

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« Reply #76 on: June 29, 2013, 06:22:47 PM »
Which were the questions  of the *many*  as you alledge, that she had already answered? As far as I read and comprehend, the only questions she replied to with *as I said before* were to do withthedog findings, not any other questions

Well look at the first one for a start Red  - are you telling me that at that late stage of the game, this was the first time they'd ever asked Kate those questions?   Surely they couldn't be THAT inept.

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1. On May 3 2007, around 22:00, when you entered the apartment, what did you see? What did you do? Where did you look? What did you touch?
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Rachel Granada

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Re: Locally to PdL
« Reply #77 on: June 29, 2013, 07:01:36 PM »
This is true Faith, but if Kate's lawyer had even the tiniest inkling that it was the mother who they were gunning for rather than Gerry, then it was his duty to legally protect her and take no chances.   

Kate did not refuse to answer the questions because she couldn't or she didn't want to - she was following her lawyer's advice, and as he had all the knowledge about Portugese law and she didn't  - then she was very wise to do so imo.

Indeed, Benice.  I would have done exactly the same thing myself, followed my lawyer's advice. Kate McCann must have been terrified, and in my opinon, had she been guilty of anything she would have broken down and confessed when confronted with the "forensic evidence" (that the PJ didn't actually have....)

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Re: Locally to PdL
« Reply #78 on: June 29, 2013, 07:09:45 PM »
Indeed, Benice.  I would have done exactly the same thing myself, followed my lawyer's advice. Kate McCann must have been terrified, and in my opinon, had she been guilty of anything she would have broken down and confessed when confronted with the "forensic evidence" (that the PJ didn't actually have....)

Yes Rachel, but only if she had been on her own, at the police station.  8(>((
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Rachel Granada

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« Reply #79 on: June 29, 2013, 07:25:28 PM »
Yes Rachel, but only if she had been on her own, at the police station.  8(>((

Yup.  In her position, I would have been calling Pavia a "F***ING T****ER" under my breath as well (and worse!).

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« Reply #80 on: June 30, 2013, 12:53:27 AM »
We know where she didn't search at least.
She didn't look into the parking, either from the window or from the corridor nor did call Madeleine's name. This is what amazed me from the very beginning. Her daughter could be there, harmed, and wouldn't answer unless hearing mum's voice.

You weren't there when Kate discovered Madeleine was missing - nobody was - so how do you know she didn't call out for Madeleine, or look into the car park from the window?
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« Reply #81 on: June 30, 2013, 08:58:48 AM »
Indeed, Benice.  I would have done exactly the same thing myself, followed my lawyer's advice. Kate McCann must have been terrified, and in my opinon, had she been guilty of anything she would have broken down and confessed when confronted with the "forensic evidence" (that the PJ didn't actually have....)

I agree with you Rachel.    I have slightly mixed feelings over whether it is right for police officers to lie to 'suspects' to elicit a confession, but on balance I think it's acceptable -  as it involves no physical violence.

The McCanns would both know that a 100% DNA match would be irrefutable evidence, and if they were guilty of disposing of Madeleine's body then I am sure they would have realised the game was up at that moment.   They would know there was no point in trying to get round such evidence.  A 100 percent DNA match would have been 'game over' and they would know that to deny it would only be delaying the inevitable.

The fact that they did not break down and confess but continued to insist on their innocence even after that irrefutable 'evidence' was claimed to exist, should have told Amaral that he was barking up the wrong tree.

Unfortunately even if Amaral did realise that - he was simply not prepared to admit it as 'saving his face' was more important to him - and so he was not going to back down.  You only have to read his book to know that. IMHO.




The notion that innocence prevails over guilt – when there is no evidence to the contrary – is what separates civilization from barbarism.    Unfortunately, there are remains of barbarism among us.    Until very recently, it headed the PJ in Portimão. I hope he was the last one.
                                               Henrique Monteiro, chief editor, Expresso, Portugal

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« Reply #82 on: June 30, 2013, 10:53:05 AM »
I agree with you Rachel.    I have slightly mixed feelings over whether it is right for police officers to lie to 'suspects' to elicit a confession, but on balance I think it's acceptable -  as it involves no physical violence.

The McCanns would both know that a 100% DNA match would be irrefutable evidence, and if they were guilty of disposing of Madeleine's body then I am sure they would have realised the game was up at that moment.   They would know there was no point in trying to get round such evidence.  A 100 percent DNA match would have been 'game over' and they would know that to deny it would only be delaying the inevitable.

The fact that they did not break down and confess but continued to insist on their innocence even after that irrefutable 'evidence' was claimed to exist, should have told Amaral that he was barking up the wrong tree.

Unfortunately even if Amaral did realise that - he was simply not prepared to admit it as 'saving his face' was more important to him - and so he was not going to back down.  You only have to read his book to know that. IMHO.

The more you post Benice the more it becomes clear that you know nothing about DNA or human nature.
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Re: Locally to PdL
« Reply #83 on: June 30, 2013, 11:13:06 AM »
The more you post Benice the more it becomes clear that you know nothing about DNA or human nature.

I don't have to know anything about DNA Faith, I have the Forensic Reports by the experts to go by.

Funny you should mention human nature, as I've noticed that you seem to think it's perfectly normal human nature for NINE people  to change from being decent, ordinary, law abiding, loving parents one minute - into criminally insane sociopathic monsters the next and for no credible believable reasons whatsoever.      If in your life experience that is an example of human nature - then I'm surprised.   

   

The notion that innocence prevails over guilt – when there is no evidence to the contrary – is what separates civilization from barbarism.    Unfortunately, there are remains of barbarism among us.    Until very recently, it headed the PJ in Portimão. I hope he was the last one.
                                               Henrique Monteiro, chief editor, Expresso, Portugal

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Re: Locally to PdL
« Reply #84 on: June 30, 2013, 11:44:47 AM »
I don't have to know anything about DNA Faith, I have the Forensic Reports by the experts to go by.

Funny you should mention human nature, as I've noticed that you seem to think it's perfectly normal human nature for NINE people  to change from being decent, ordinary, law abiding, loving parents one minute - into criminally insane sociopathic monsters the next and for no credible believable reasons whatsoever.      If in your life experience that is an example of human nature - then I'm surprised.   

   

As I said you seem to know nothing about human nature.
Brietta posted on 10/04/2022 “But whether or not that is the reason behind the delay I am certain that Brueckner's trial is going to take place.”

Let’s count the months, shall we?

AnneGuedes

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Re: Locally to PdL
« Reply #85 on: June 30, 2013, 11:53:41 AM »
And I would say this is notwithstanding the unique interesting point here.

Rachel Granada

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Re: Locally to PdL
« Reply #86 on: June 30, 2013, 05:27:26 PM »
I agree with you Rachel.    I have slightly mixed feelings over whether it is right for police officers to lie to 'suspects' to elicit a confession, but on balance I think it's acceptable -  as it involves no physical violence.

The McCanns would both know that a 100% DNA match would be irrefutable evidence, and if they were guilty of disposing of Madeleine's body then I am sure they would have realised the game was up at that moment.   They would know there was no point in trying to get round such evidence.  A 100 percent DNA match would have been 'game over' and they would know that to deny it would only be delaying the inevitable.

The fact that they did not break down and confess but continued to insist on their innocence even after that irrefutable 'evidence' was claimed to exist, should have told Amaral that he was barking up the wrong tree.

Unfortunately even if Amaral did realise that - he was simply not prepared to admit it as 'saving his face' was more important to him - and so he was not going to back down.  You only have to read his book to know that. IMHO.

Hi Benice, I agree with you on all points apart from the police lying to elicit a confession from suspects.

I really believe that had Kate and Gerry McCann been guilty of anything, then they would have cracked when confronted with the "100% DNA match".   The McCanns are not hardened master criminals, they are ordinary people who have probably never seen the inside of a police station before all this.  As you have said, had they been guilty then they would have known that the game was up if they were told that a 100% DNA match had been found.

Rachel Granada

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Re: Locally to PdL
« Reply #87 on: June 30, 2013, 05:29:23 PM »
The more you post Benice the more it becomes clear that you know nothing about DNA or human nature.

Amaral and the PJ don't seem to know much about DNA.

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Re: Locally to PdL
« Reply #88 on: June 30, 2013, 05:46:12 PM »
Amaral and the PJ don't seem to know much about DNA.

Or anything else, IMO!
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Re: Locally to PdL
« Reply #89 on: June 30, 2013, 06:13:18 PM »
Amaral and the PJ don't seem to know much about DNA.

Without googling it,

What are 'triplet codes' ?

What are the possible results of mutations resulting in different triplet codes ?