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[DCI]

Wasn't he a leading Police Officer, in charge of locating a missing child? He wasn't aware of her before she went missing is a given, but he already had history. His book? Where would that stand with a professional police officer? One with an unblemished history even?

In your own words, is he the "wolf"?  His history?

Can you clarify "the fatality" please, Anne?

And who was it first pointed the finger at Murat? Don't say Jane Tanner, because she didn't, another Amaral lie

[AnneGuedes]

A fatality is an accident or disaster on which the subject has no control.

[Rachel Granada]

As any anti-hero Mr Amaral was very useful to make up the heroes, the McCanns. Hadn't he existed, they should have invented him.
Though, whatever the fatality, Mr Amaral wasn't even aware Madeleine existed when it happened to her, all fairies tales need a big bad wolf.

Amaral is corrupt, Anne.  Deal with it.

[ferryman]

And who was it first pointed the finger at Murat? Don't say Jane Tanner, because she didn't, another Amaral lie

Yep.

Jane clearly states in her rogatory interview that, at the crucial point she was about to make the sighting, a car pulled out and blocked her view.

She never made a sighting.

That aside, meeting Murat en route to the van rendered the whole exercise nul and void ...

[DCI]

Amaral is corrupt, Anne.  Deal with it.

Nine Bob Notes 

[faithlilly]

And who was it first pointed the finger at Murat? Don't say Jane Tanner, because she didn't, another Amaral lie

Wasn't it DCI ? Pray tell me how you know ? Ah I know, because Jane says so, though not very forcefully if you read her rogatory statement. Of course she will know that Bob Small knows the truth so perhaps her waffling non-answer was really the only course of action open to her.

[ferryman]

Wasn't it DCI ? Pray tell me how you know ? Ah I know, because Jane says so, though not very forcefully if you read her rogatory statement. Of course she will know that Bob Small knows the truth so perhaps her waffling non-answer was really the only course of action open to her.

They met Robert Murat en route to the van.

The entire exercise was nul and void from that point.

And there is nothing in the file to indicate Jane pointed the finger at Murat, although there is documented evidence to suggest Martin Smith (inadvertently) did ...

[DCI]

Yep.

Jane clearly states in her rogatory interview that, at the crucial point she was about to make the sighting, a car pulled out and blocked her view.

She never made a sighting.

That aside, meeting Murat en route to the van rendered the whole exercise nul and void ...

And Amaral say's:

Before searching his house, we wanted to assure ourselves that Jane Tanner recognises him as the individual she saw on the night of the disappearance. She is sitting inside an unmarked police car, whose tinted windows allow her to see out without being spotted. The vehicle is parked at the exact spot where she says she was on the night of May 3rd.

Robert Murat, anonymous amongst plain clothes police officers, goes up the road in the same way as the alleged abductor. Jane Tanner is adamant: it certainly is Robert Murat that she saw that night. She definitely recognises his way of walking. But does he resemble the description she painted previously?


See bottom page 42 "The truth about the lie".

[faithlilly]

They met Robert Murat en route to the van.

The entire exercise was nul and void from that point.

And there is nothing in the file to indicate Jane pointed the finger at Murat, although there is documented evidence to suggest Martin Smith (inadvertently) did ...

There are a lot of things that aren't in the files as you well know so perhaps Tanner's identification s simply one of those.

As to Martin Smith 'inadvertently pointing the finger at Murat' the documentation you are speaking of are newspaper articles, aren't they and, worse still your interpretation of newspaper articles ?

[faithlilly]

And Amaral say's:

Before searching his house, we wanted to assure ourselves that Jane Tanner recognises him as the individual she saw on the night of the disappearance. She is sitting inside an unmarked police car, whose tinted windows allow her to see out without being spotted. The vehicle is parked at the exact spot where she says she was on the night of May 3rd.

Robert Murat, anonymous amongst plain clothes police officers, goes up the road in the same way as the alleged abductor. Jane Tanner is adamant: it certainly is Robert Murat that she saw that night. She definitely recognises his way of walking. But does he resemble the description she painted previously?

Ho hum who to believe ?  >@@(*&)

[AnneGuedes]

Whether JT recognized or not, it couldn't be used as evidence in court. You can't ask someone to hide in order to spot another without that other being aware he's spotted.
JT was very disturbed, she imagined some threat of abduction on her... She would have recognized anyone, just to see the end of it. Imo.

[Benice]

And Amaral say's:

Before searching his house, we wanted to assure ourselves that Jane Tanner recognises him as the individual she saw on the night of the disappearance. She is sitting inside an unmarked police car, whose tinted windows allow her to see out without being spotted. The vehicle is parked at the exact spot where she says she was on the night of May 3rd.

Robert Murat, anonymous amongst plain clothes police officers, goes up the road in the same way as the alleged abductor. Jane Tanner is adamant: it certainly is Robert Murat that she saw that night. She definitely recognises his way of walking. But does he resemble the description she painted previously?

A downright lie by Amaral.    If JT had identified Murat she would not have been sent home and told there was no need for her to go back to the police station to make a witness statement -  that would have been a ridiculous thing for a policeman to tell her.
 
If she HAD made a positive identification of Murat as the abductor - then getting a signed statement from her to that effect would have been of paramount importance.

The other major reason why we know she didn't is because if she had identified him and made a statement,  that statement would definitely have been referred to by the AG in his report about Robert Murat as one of the main reasons - if not THE main reason why he was made an Arguido.   IIRC JT is not mentioned at all.   

[Chinagirl]

Yes indeed, Benice.

[sadie]

Still waiting for yours with regard to the Smith sighting sadie 

Too big to do the lot at present, with family staying. but this will suffice for now

If you remember you were insisting that the man went west.  Well he didn't


Aoife's statement

....— The deponent remembers that upon reaching the top of the stairs, she looked to her left and saw a man (1) with a female child (2) in his arms, walking along the pavement of Rua 25 de Abril. He was walking in her direction at a distance of, give or take, two metres.— The deponent crossed to the other side of Rua 25 de Abril and began walking up Rua da Escola Primária in the direction of the Estrela da Luz apartment complex.
— She did not see if the referenced individual with the child descended Rua das Escadinhas or if he continued along Rua 25 de Abril.

The Smiths came up these steps.   The road that Aoife was walking towards is the one called Rua da Escola and it is partially shown opposite the top of the steps.  Rua de Escola is the road that bundleman walked down and where he was sighted by the Smiths. 

The staff quarters are about 70 metres up the rua de Escola from the main Rua 25 de Abril.
Rua da Escola is over 5 metres wide for much of its lower length, opening up to over 8 metres wide where it joins the main road Rua 25 de Abril

   
 
The Smiths were a large group and they were well spaced out .  Aofie was towards the back, but had others following.

The junction is partially dog-legged as you will see from the photo above and the GEarth image below.




The images below show the spot that Aoife was supposed to be when she saw the man with the little girl, having ascended the steps and about to cross the main road. 
From her statement  * she looked to her left and saw a man (1) with a female child (2) in his arms, walking along the pavement of Rua 25 de Abril. He was walking in her direction at a distance of, give or take, two metres      SO she looked to her left (which is approx west, or North west)  and saw the man carrying the little girl coming towards her on the pavement at a distance of give or take 2 metres.  In other words he was traveling in an easterly direction


A = Aoife,   M = Martin Smith,   P = Peter Smith





Think about it Faith.   Where ever she was facing the direction she was travelling before crossing the road, if she looked left and saw him coming towards her, on the poavement and only two metres or so away, then he was walking in an easterly direction.  Wherever she stood/walked on that side of the road and going in the direction she was, this applies,

If he was coming from the left, the west, then he was going east at that time ... NOT west as you keep saying for some reason. 


Sorry Faith, but you got it wrong.  Sorry if it ruins your theory.


Dont expect that you are able to apologise, Faith, as I did when I was wrong, or acknowledge that i am correct. ?    Would be appreciated if you could.

[faithlilly]

Too big to do the lot at present, with family staying. but this will suffice for now

If you remember you were insisting that the man went west.  Well he didn't


Aoife's statement

The Smiths came up these steps.   The road that Aoife was walking towards is the one called Rua da Escola and it is partially shown opposite the top of the steps.  Rua de Escola is the road that bundleman walked down and where he was sighted by the Smiths. 

The staff quarters are about 70 metres up the rua de Escola from the main Rua 25 de Abril.
Rua da Escola is over 5 metres wide for much of its lower length, opening up to over 8 metres wide where it joins the main road Rua 25 de Abril

   
 
The Smiths were a large group and they were well spaced out .  Aofie was towards the back, but had others following.

The junction is partially dog-legged as you will see from the photo above and the GEarth image below.




The images below show the spot that Aoife was supposed to be when she saw the man with the little girl, having ascended the steps and about to cross the main road. 
From her statement  * she looked to her left and saw a man (1) with a female child (2) in his arms, walking along the pavement of Rua 25 de Abril. He was walking in her direction at a distance of, give or take, two metres      SO she looked to her left (which is approx west, or North west)  and saw the man carrying the little girl coming towards her on the pavement at a distance of give or take 2 metres.  In other words he was traveling in an easterly direction


A = Aoife,   M = Martin Smith,   P = Peter Smith





Think about it Faith.   Where ever she was facing the direction she was travelling before crossing the road, if she looked left and saw him coming towards her, on the poavement and only two metres or so away, then he was walking in an easterly direction.  Wherever she stood/walked on that side of the road and going in the direction she was, this applies,

If he was coming from the left, the west, then he was going east at that time ... NOT west as you keep saying for some reason. 


Sorry Faith, but you got it wrong.  Sorry if it ruins your theory.


Dont expect that you are able to apologise, Faith, as I did when I was wrong, or acknowledge that i am correct. ?    Would be appreciated if you could.

The last photograph shows the view down rua de Escola with Aofie standing directly opposite facing rua de Escola.When Aofie first saw the carrier he was 2 m away coming towards her. To see him she had to look to her left meaning the carrier was coming down the street bearing to his right ( if he was bearing to his left Aofie would have had to have looked to her right ).

ETA In the documentary of the Truth of the Lie the carrier bears to the right when coming down Rua de Escola and the party loses sight of him after they have passed so it is entirely possible, in fact probable,  that he turned right at the end of the street.