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AnneGuedes

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Re: New M.A.D.D.I.E. Security Device
« Reply #15 on: June 15, 2013, 03:55:53 PM »
The details are in Kate's book Anne  - told to her by the British Consul and confirmed by approaches made by British parents to the UK police telling them of what had happened to their children.
I'm not saying this is false, but, because nothing wasn't reported to the police, this is hearsay and only that.
Now, helped by celebs that publicly told they had been raped, raped girls and women have gained courage to go to the police, they understand that action is the beginning of wounds' healing.
I admit families of molested teens might have no courage to tell the police. But either you tell it or you keep it totally secret. The costs for society of adopting neither an attitude nor the other are considerable : rumours instead of tangible reality,  fears instead of lucidity.

Offline Carana

Re: New M.A.D.D.I.E. Security Device
« Reply #16 on: June 15, 2013, 04:22:08 PM »
Common sense. Isn't it absurd to invent alarms each time more sophisticated and also each time more ingeniously bypassed when the old locking gesture would be enough ? Are Canadians, who have no lock on their doors, more burglarized ?
Owners of a Picasso have an alarm against rob because the Insurance Companies require it.


Canadians don't have locks on doors???


AnneGuedes

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Re: New M.A.D.D.I.E. Security Device
« Reply #17 on: June 15, 2013, 04:32:16 PM »
The inventor found that his patio door which he had left locked, was open the next morning.  An intruder had got into his children's bedroom and other areas of the apartment.   That is the whole reason why he invented the MADDIE alarm.
Why "Maddie" ? There was no attempt of stealing his children. Actually stealing children from their bed is yet an extremely rare event.

AnneGuedes

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« Reply #18 on: June 15, 2013, 04:36:02 PM »

Canadians don't have locks on doors???
Many don't and it's well known.
I remember (in France) my family house's door was only locked  by my father when he went to bed. And there was a handle on the door so everybody actually could have got in (which isn't the case in Canada).

Offline Benice

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« Reply #19 on: June 15, 2013, 04:46:17 PM »
I'm not saying this is false, but, because nothing wasn't reported to the police, this is hearsay and only that.
Now, helped by celebs that publicly told they had been raped, raped girls and women have gained courage to go to the police, they understand that action is the beginning of wounds' healing.
I admit families of molested teens might have no courage to tell the police. But either you tell it or you keep it totally secret. The costs for society of adopting neither an attitude nor the other are considerable : rumours instead of tangible reality,  fears instead of lucidity.

How can it be Hearsay? - the parents DID report these assaults to the Portuguese police.   After Madeline disappeared they came forward to the UK police, because of what had happened to their children in the same area.

Quote from a letter of complaint from one British mother to the Portuguese police.

''It is difficult to see with this lack of investigation or interest how a profile of this man can be built up.  It did not appear to us that there was any great incentive or determination to find the offender and bring him to justice........Futhermore, it could have been so much worse.....indeed this man could go on to do much worse to another child if he's not stopped now''

Six months after that letter was sent,  Madeleine was taken.

Eight cases in all had been reported -  all within an hour's drive of PdL over the three years prior to Madeleine's disappearance.


The notion that innocence prevails over guilt – when there is no evidence to the contrary – is what separates civilization from barbarism.    Unfortunately, there are remains of barbarism among us.    Until very recently, it headed the PJ in Portimão. I hope he was the last one.
                                               Henrique Monteiro, chief editor, Expresso, Portugal

Offline Benice

Re: New M.A.D.D.I.E. Security Device
« Reply #20 on: June 15, 2013, 04:50:37 PM »
Why "Maddie" ? There was no attempt of stealing his children. Actually stealing children from their bed is yet an extremely rare event.

If you click on the link Redblossom put in her opening post - you will hear why.
The notion that innocence prevails over guilt – when there is no evidence to the contrary – is what separates civilization from barbarism.    Unfortunately, there are remains of barbarism among us.    Until very recently, it headed the PJ in Portimão. I hope he was the last one.
                                               Henrique Monteiro, chief editor, Expresso, Portugal

Redblossom

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Re: New M.A.D.D.I.E. Security Device
« Reply #21 on: June 15, 2013, 06:44:21 PM »
So what do you deduce from that observation Red? 

It sounds like a brilliant alarm system to me - small, portable and 100 percent effective.   He invented it because of what had happened to Madeleine, which for a few nightmarish, heartstopping moments he thought had happened to his daughter.     If it prevents only one would-be abductor from entering an apartment, then it will have been worth it.    'MADDIE' is not Madeleine's name, but everyone associates it with her, and so there is the added benefit that it will help to keep her profile high.

It seems like an all round 'win-win' situation to me.  Wouldn't you agree?

Seems a great device, just brought it to the board with the proviso of the OP, still thnk the brand name is crass as itasan intruder deterrant not an abduction deterrant

Offline Carana

Re: New M.A.D.D.I.E. Security Device
« Reply #22 on: June 15, 2013, 06:50:49 PM »
@ Redblossom

Thanks for the OP and the links.

It actually sounds quite interesting. It could be useful to a lot of people at a reasonable price.

AnneGuedes

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Re: New M.A.D.D.I.E. Security Device
« Reply #23 on: June 15, 2013, 10:13:45 PM »
How can it be Hearsay? - the parents DID report these assaults to the Portuguese police.   After Madeline disappeared they came forward to the UK police, because of what had happened to their children in the same area.

Quote from a letter of complaint from one British mother to the Portuguese police.

''It is difficult to see with this lack of investigation or interest how a profile of this man can be built up.  It did not appear to us that there was any great incentive or determination to find the offender and bring him to justice........Futhermore, it could have been so much worse.....indeed this man could go on to do much worse to another child if he's not stopped now''

Six months after that letter was sent,  Madeleine was taken.

Eight cases in all had been reported -  all within an hour's drive of PdL over the three years prior to Madeleine's disappearance.
Where have you found that letter , Benice, who wrote it ? It seems to be a complaint not against an "offender" this extract mentions without explaining what he actually did, but against the police.. the Portuguese one, for a change !

Offline Benice

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« Reply #24 on: June 16, 2013, 12:11:39 AM »
Where have you found that letter , Benice, who wrote it ? It seems to be a complaint not against an "offender" this extract mentions without explaining what he actually did, but against the police.. the Portuguese one, for a change !

In all in Kate's book Anne.  Pages 323/324.   
The notion that innocence prevails over guilt – when there is no evidence to the contrary – is what separates civilization from barbarism.    Unfortunately, there are remains of barbarism among us.    Until very recently, it headed the PJ in Portimão. I hope he was the last one.
                                               Henrique Monteiro, chief editor, Expresso, Portugal

Redblossom

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Re: New M.A.D.D.I.E. Security Device
« Reply #25 on: June 16, 2013, 12:13:29 AM »
In all in Kate's book Anne.  Pages 323/324.   

Hardly a reliable  source  by ANY means

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« Reply #26 on: June 16, 2013, 12:21:31 AM »
Hardly why? Evidence?

AnneGuedes

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Re: New M.A.D.D.I.E. Security Device
« Reply #27 on: June 16, 2013, 12:28:19 AM »
In all in Kate's book Anne.  Pages 323/324.   
Unfortunately, no reference, no source, no nothing, then inexorably hearsay.
Or, if you prefer, a matter of belief.

Offline Benice

Re: New M.A.D.D.I.E. Security Device
« Reply #28 on: June 16, 2013, 08:25:36 AM »
Unfortunately, no reference, no source, no nothing, then inexorably hearsay.
Or, if you prefer, a matter of belief.

The source from where Kate obtained the information is the police files.

You are saying that witness statements (in the police files) from parents who reported sexual assaults against their children to the GNR whilst on holiday in Portugal, and then also approached the UK police to make them aware of their experiences is  ''inexorably hearsay'' ?.    Which part is 'hearsay'.




The notion that innocence prevails over guilt – when there is no evidence to the contrary – is what separates civilization from barbarism.    Unfortunately, there are remains of barbarism among us.    Until very recently, it headed the PJ in Portimão. I hope he was the last one.
                                               Henrique Monteiro, chief editor, Expresso, Portugal

AnneGuedes

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Re: New M.A.D.D.I.E. Security Device
« Reply #29 on: June 16, 2013, 12:58:12 PM »
The source from where Kate obtained the information is the police files.

You are saying that witness statements (in the police files) from parents who reported sexual assaults against their children to the GNR whilst on holiday in Portugal, and then also approached the UK police to make them aware of their experiences is  ''inexorably hearsay'' ?.    Which part is 'hearsay'.
No, Benice, I'm just saying that without a source anything is at best hearsay.
Where in the files, please ?