Was there a connection between the phone ping and the report of a child crying on Tue 1st May?

[Carana]

There is no evidence there were any

Does that answer your question in the OP or not?

[Redblossom]

Does that answer your question in the OP or not?

Not really, we have come a long way from my OP and learning about pings, seeing as her records are absent from the files we do not know why her phone pinged on tuesday night thats all, could be nothing, might be, evidence is not there

evidence is there for gerry and others but not Kate and lastly, every single ping is backed up by the records we do have of an sms message or call, so, the phone does not ping any tower just by being switched on, there HAS to be some activity relating to it,cheers

[Redblossom]

Here's an idea.

Why don't you and others who are offended by
Redblossoms posts just stop replying to him/her?

Thank you neely,good advice, Ive stopped posting to her for ages now as was adviced to me by mods after my last banningbecause of exchanges with her and I kept to my bit of the bargain,and Im trying to get Sadie off my back for days now by not replying to her posts to me but she doesnt stop addressing me even after Ive asked, balls in her court, as I said or it is harrassment and goading, reported already anyway

[xtina]

Here's an idea.

Why don't you and others who are offended by
Redblossoms posts just stop replying to him/her?

ah neeley

could this be because redblossom....could be on the right track.....[because some take it  far too seriously imo]

[xtina]

After six years of reading "Redblossoms" posts I know exactly where he/she is coming from thank you .

My name is Neeley by the way.

mine is xtina ..please to meet you..



After six years of reading "Redblossoms" posts I know exactly where he/she is coming from thank you .

yes sounds like the same place as me..

don't want to keep going off topic though ...so goodnite neeley

[AnneGuedes]

I'm not sure what you mean.


Have you found a statement from the friend that she called? It might have been useful to double-check the time, date and any other details.

I'm sure what you mean, Carana. You know perfectly well that nobody on this forum knows the answer to your question concerning Mrs Fenn's friend, i.e this question has no pertinence whatsoever. The PJ very likely made sure there was no confusion of date calling Mrs Fenn's friend (easy access to her phone nb).
Yet you recurrently insist on the double-checking of old and unfortunately late Mrs Fenn as if she was affected by some kind of Alzheimer because she heard crying on the 1st of May in the flat downstairs.
Do you suspect an hallucination ? There's no evidence the McCann children never cried, at least when they were left alone.
And about the crying stopping when the patio doors slide, there's no evidence as well that the McCann parents didn't have dinner outside.
On the 2nd, according to an alleged statement of Madeleine McCann, she and a siebling cried. A double checking with Rachael denied it.
No triple checking with Mrs Fenn was possible since she said she wasn't home. Ah but was she really out ? What if she thought she had dinner downtown when she was watching the BBC News and thought she was home when she was on the beach ?

Would you have the courage to double check Mrs McCann's who extraordinarily, in what was likely the most distressful situation she had ever lived, found a way to ridicule Mrs Fenn who  kindly showed her concern ?

[Jazzy]

There is a long report on phone usage.

However, I haven't found anything to link cell tower pings  concerning Kate's phone and any communications on the evening of 1 May related to that phone.

Thanks Carana. I was just wondering if her use of her phone that night was different to any other night. If it was usual usage then it's irrelevant.

[Mrs. B]

There is a long report on phone usage.

However, I haven't found anything to link cell tower pings  concerning Kate's phone and any communications on the evening of 1 May related to that phone.

Because there isn't any - another attempt at making stuff up again.

[Redblossom]

Thanks Carana. I was just wondering if her use of her phone that night was different to any other night. If it was usual usage then it's irrelevant.

It was different to every other night up to May 4th, if you read the OP you will have seen

Facts are

1) KMs phone was pinged that night, several times, the only one in the group, hours later than it was normally and never at that sort of time before the 4th

2) This means she was texting or recieved texts or was phoning or was being phoned or that she recieved some sms from a phone provider, but there were alot of pings and I doubt they were to give her the latest weather forecast or horoscope just for that night.....it COULD have been messages about messages received or calls missed,still, why so many just that night?

3) There is no evidence in the file to correlate these partly because detailed records were only asked by the Pj of the phone operators for all the tapas group for the dates of may 2-3-4

4) Kates phone records from her mobile phone provider in detail, from late april to early sept appear no where in the files, but records for other tapas group members do, that is the reason we cannot check what the  pings might have been, on the 1st, that is all

it could mean nothing  it could mean something


Edited

[icabodcrane]

I would think that Scotland Yard have examined all phone records thoroughly, as part of their review, including the calls made from Mrs Fenn's phone that night.   They will know whether she rang her friend to tell of her concern for the crying child,  that could easily be confirmed

Personally,  I see no logical reason for doubting the late Mrs Fenn's testimony 

[Redblossom]

I would think that Scotland Yard have examined all phone records thoroughly, as part of their review, including the calls made from Mrs Fenn's phone that night.   They will know whether she rang her friend to tell of her concern for the crying child,  that could easily be confirmed

Personally,  I see no logical reason for doubting the late Mrs Fenn's testimony

I agree that SY will have investigated a lot, including information that was denied to the PJ at the time either by the PT courts or the British authorities. We shall see maybe. As for Mrs Fenns testimony no reason to doubt it I agree.

[AnneGuedes]

SY might have got from the operator informations on calls or sms that were refused to the Ministério Publico by the Evora Court.

[Carana]

It was different to every other night up to May 4th, if you read the OP you will have seen

Facts are

1) KMs phone was pinged that night, several times, the only one in the group, hours later than it was normally and never at that sort of time before the 4th

2) This means she was texting or recieved texts or was phoning or was being phoned or that she recieved some sms from a phone provider, but there were alot of pings and I doubt they were to give her the latest weather forecast or horoscope just for that night.....it COULD have been messages about messages received or calls missed,still, why so many just that night?

3) There is no evidence in the file to correlate these partly because detailed records were only asked by the Pj of the phone operators for all the tapas group for the dates of may 2-3-4

4) Kates phone records from her mobile phone provider in detail, from late april to early sept appear no where in the files, but records for other tapas group members do, that is the reason we cannot check what the  pings might have been, on the 1st, that is all

it could mean nothing  it could mean something


Edited

What's this then?

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/PHONE_TEXTS.htm#p1p83

Have you excluded the possibility that it was simply on standby (as opposed to being switched off)?

[Redblossom]

What's this then?

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/PHONE_TEXTS.htm#p1p83

Have you excluded the possibility that it was simply on standby (as opposed to being switched off)?

It doesnt matter if it was switched on or off at any time

And that report is an analysis of antenna pings qnd locations off Kms phones for april to sept, there is NO detailed record of her usage in the files APART from May 2-3-4

[Carana]

I would think that Scotland Yard have examined all phone records thoroughly, as part of their review, including the calls made from Mrs Fenn's phone that night.   They will know whether she rang her friend to tell of her concern for the crying child,  that could easily be confirmed

Personally,  I see no logical reason for doubting the late Mrs Fenn's testimony

I have no doubt that she was an honest witness and quite probably a very kindly lady.

That's not the point, though. The PJ don't seem to have taken any measures to verify whether her recollection of time / date and location of sound were accurate. She wasn't even interviewed until the latter half of August - and then it was a simple witness statement.